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To: unspun
1. U.K. citizen at birth -- not a "natural born Citizen"

Dual citizenship doesn't defeat his natural-born status if he was born in Hawaii. See the U.S. Supreme Court's decision in Wong Kim Ark.

2. Spends a fortune to hide is place of birth and no one in Hawaii recalls it. The house listed in the newspaper announcement as his parents' was not his parents'.

Cite some evidence that he has "spent a fortune."

3. Not even a U.S. Citizen at all, since that was revoked when he became an Indonesian citizen as adopted by Soetoro and entered into public school.

Wrong again, per the U.S. Supreme Court. Someone born in the United States never loses their citizenship unless he (not his parents) intentionally renounces it. (Afroyim v. Rusk).

113 posted on 01/27/2009 12:48:55 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Lurking Libertarian
Dual citizenship doesn't defeat his natural-born status if he was born in Hawaii. See the U.S. Supreme Court's decision in Wong Kim Ark.

Manifestly wrong.

1. The known meaning of the Constitution trumps any bad precedent. But...

2. Justice Gray in Wong Kim Ark stated he was a "native born citizen" and he clearly know what a "natural born Citizen" referred to in the Constitution. That is ostensibly why he stopped short, since there hereditary right was not referred to in "native" but was in "natural."

120 posted on 01/27/2009 12:58:14 PM PST by unspun (PRAY & WORK FOR FREEDOM - investigatingobama.blogspot.com)
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To: Lurking Libertarian
Cite some evidence that he has "spent a fortune."

He has employed many lawyers much time in this, in fighting cases, in promoting "fightthesmears" propaganda about it, and in providing the inconsequential "Certificate of Live Birth." Cite some actual, conclusive evidence that BHO was born in Hawaii? That (or its failure) is what they are hiding.

122 posted on 01/27/2009 1:01:20 PM PST by unspun (PRAY & WORK FOR FREEDOM - investigatingobama.blogspot.com)
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To: Lurking Libertarian
Wrong again, per the U.S. Supreme Court. Someone born in the United States never loses their citizenship unless he (not his parents) intentionally renounces it. (Afroyim v. Rusk).

Thank you for that semi-correction.

Afroyim v. Rusk was a wrong (and 5-4) decision, made in the liberalized 1967 court and it could be either overturned or found not applicable to an issue of "natural born citizenship" by its obvious intention to exclude anyone of a foreign jurisdiction and allegiance from being president.

Further to this regarding Obama, if he decided to carry forward a foreign citizenship at or after age 18, his U.S. citizenship is revoked, as I understand the law and I do not find that effectively refuted. He dormed in the internationals section in college, he has hidden his college records, and he flew in 1981 on a passport not American, since he flew to Pakistan, which forbade Americans entry at that time. If this is so, and the evidence indicates it is, so far, he decided upon Indonesian citizenship and not American citizenship as an adult, which de facto revokes his American citizenship. BTW, Indonesia had no provision for dual citizenship, so that is what his parents were likely informed at the time (previous to the Afroyim decision).

So, whether as a child or as an adult, the evidence revealed thusfar indicates that "Barry Soetoro" is not an American Citizen at all.

130 posted on 01/27/2009 1:27:02 PM PST by unspun (PRAY & WORK FOR FREEDOM - investigatingobama.blogspot.com)
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