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Who Killed JFK?
The Andrea Shea King Show ^ | Feb. 4, 2009 | Andrea Shea King

Posted on 02/04/2009 11:49:12 AM PST by patriotgal1787

Do you believe that the November 22, 1963 assassination of President John F. Kennedy was the result of shots fired by a lone assassin from the 6th floor of the Texas School Book Depository?

Or are you one of many who believe it was a conspiracy that involved the highest levels of our government?

The case is not closed regarding what actually happened on that fateful day.

The late President Gerald R. Ford, the last surviving member of the commission admitted that the CIA destroyed pertinent documents, covering up the investigation of the assassination, in a recently published book.

Tim Miller, the book publisher who helped author the text, believes there was a conspiracy and that Ford knew even more than he told his publisher and the world. Ford shares many other breath-taking admissions with the reader in this, his final book, written three years prior to his own death.

What did Ford say about the "single bullet theory," the Zapruder film, and Oliver Stone’s movie, JFK?

"Who killed John F. Kennedy?"

Tim Miller joins us to discuss tonight at 9 p.m. ET -- link to the show here.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government
KEYWORDS: assassination; conspiracynuts; geraldford; jfkassassination; kennedy; presidents; warrenreport
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To: smoothsailing
Did Kennedy’s brain really disappear from the National Archives? What was that all about?

Kennedy was a liberal Democrat so there was no brain for the National Archives to collect in the first place.

101 posted on 02/04/2009 12:43:24 PM PST by MahatmaGandu (Remember, remember, the twenty-sixth of November.)
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Where Posner & Bugliosi leave off is when it gets interesting.

Intel conference record lists the 20 or so conspirators by name and researchable. From the book Regicide.

Amazon excerpt:

OPERATION ZIPPER” was the code name of the assassination plot of John F. Kennedy, President of the United States of America.

The 98 pages long paper entitled “OPERATION ZIPPER Conference Record” is a long list of decisions and activities of various U.S. authorities in a CIA-conducted project. All major facts behind the Kennedy assassination are found in the “Zipper” Document. For the first time, the motives of those who organized and instigated the act are clearly and decisively exposed, as are the names and official positions of those who directed the killers. This document was probably produced by the five CIA top officials mentioned in the distribution list (McCone, Angleton, Carter, Crowley, Harvey) in order to cover themselves, since this document clearly proves that the assassination of J. F. Kennedy was anything else but a private plot by a few CIA senior officers going rampant.

http://www.amazon.com/Regicide-Official-Assassination-John-Kennedy/dp/1591482976/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1233778959&sr=1-1

102 posted on 02/04/2009 12:43:34 PM PST by msnpatriot
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To: patriotgal1787
I just hope the show doesn't portray the assasination as a bad thing for America.
103 posted on 02/04/2009 12:44:17 PM PST by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: Born In America
a shot from behind does not cause the head to snap back toward the direction of the bullet.

No, but brain matter and bone spewing forward do.

104 posted on 02/04/2009 12:45:03 PM PST by The Good Doctor (Democracy is the only system where you can vote for a tax that you can avoid the obligation to pay.)
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To: Concho
The head shot occurred when Kennedy was leaning forward reaching for his throat, the exit wound from the preceding shot. It hit in the occiputal-temporal region. The effect was what would be expected.
105 posted on 02/04/2009 12:45:22 PM PST by outofstyle (There's a rake at the gates of Hell tonight)
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To: patriotgal1787
This picture was taken by Tom Dillard approximately 30 seconds after the fatal shot. It's been blown up to show someone apparently in the window who I think convincingly looks like Oswald but I've had many people who disagree. If it is him then it's a smoking gun that puts him on the sixth floor:


106 posted on 02/04/2009 12:45:50 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: The_Victor
Our government isn't competent enough to pull it off.

In an age of (sometimes) $3.00 agallon gas, our government can't make AMTRACK pay its own way. Of COURSE our government isn't competent enough to pull it off.

107 posted on 02/04/2009 12:46:38 PM PST by 50sDad (No Irish May Apply: Tell me I haven't been discriminated against.)
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To: TChris

“I’m pretty sure he killed John Lennon and Dr. Martin Luther King Jr”

Nah dude, John Lennon really was some secret group, and a bang up job they did too. Lennon helped kill millions of vietnamese.

With DMLK it was just some stupid racist guy.


108 posted on 02/04/2009 12:46:47 PM PST by chuck_the_tv_out
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To: dmz
Pristine? Hardly.




109 posted on 02/04/2009 12:47:11 PM PST by Pistolshot ("Democrats don't show respect, they just demand respect " - ClearCase_guy)
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To: JoeA
I'm talking about with the same gun. I don't need to look anything up...I've seen it done, most recently on a PBS special using a Marine marksman with an identical rifle.
110 posted on 02/04/2009 12:48:14 PM PST by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: IYAS9YAS

I never thought of that. Good answer!


111 posted on 02/04/2009 12:49:05 PM PST by Vendome
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To: Rinnwald
Aha, the RED DWARF endgame.

Classic fanboy mistake. The crew of the Dwarf brought FUTURE Kennedy back to assassinate PRESENT Kennedy from the grassy knoll as the red-headed policeman; he disappeared because he no longer existed.

Good band, tho.

112 posted on 02/04/2009 12:51:22 PM PST by 50sDad (No Irish May Apply: Tell me I haven't been discriminated against.)
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To: Carl from Marietta

I think the “Staged Moon Landing” crowd who deny everything plausible are the real nuts....anyone who believes what the government says, at face value, is the real dupe.

Who killed JFK? I dont know. I do know that: A: It wasnt me B: Doubt Oswald did it himself


113 posted on 02/04/2009 12:51:25 PM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (The Threat To Our Soverignty Is The Rampant Economic Anti-Americanism)
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To: MahatmaGandu

Isn’t there supposed to be some cache of papers that go public sixty years after his death, or am I remembering some other lame conspiracy theory?


114 posted on 02/04/2009 12:53:16 PM PST by 50sDad (No Irish May Apply: Tell me I haven't been discriminated against.)
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To: outofstyle

I have seen the film, several times. The computer modeling shows that for there to be a single shooter that the bullet has to turn several corners. It will be on the History Channel again before long. Lets watch it again.


115 posted on 02/04/2009 12:54:42 PM PST by Concho (01-20-2009--The beginning of an ERROR)
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To: Talisker
Its simple folks.... never visit Dallas in an open convertible when your vice president is from Texas!

Now that you mention it I never saw Bush riding around in a covertable....in Dallas or anywhere else...you may be on to something.

116 posted on 02/04/2009 12:55:13 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: pnh102
If there was a conspiracy it would involve hundreds or even thousands of people at all levels of government working in consort. Someone would have squealed by now.

Tactically your conclusion is absurd. Many techniques for effectively enforcing silence are well understood. The only real variables here are scale, both in numbers of people and numbers of years. But with enough motivation, money and power, it certainly could be accomplished.

So the real subject of examination should be for any evidence of the existence of enough motivation to pursue such a huge suppressive effort. Of course, this is precisely the subject which is never examined, in the name of world-weary "common sense" (one of the most effective suppression tactics of all).

But if it were to be explored, I think the fact that there were so many different parties that wanted Kennedy killed is very interesting. It brings to mind the plot of the 1974 movie "Murder on the Orient Express (Sean Connery, lots of stars and lots of fun - check it out and ponder it's ending).

117 posted on 02/04/2009 12:55:27 PM PST by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: patriotgal1787

Many years ago, back in the 1960’s I read an article in POPULAR MECHANICS or some similar magazine written by Congressman Gerald Ford.

He said in the article that one piece of evidence was a thread caught on the buttplate of the rifle that exactly matched Oswald’s shirt at the time of the assasination.


118 posted on 02/04/2009 12:57:13 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (14. Guns only have two enemies: rust and politicians.)
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To: chuck_the_tv_out

Dork,er Geek. LOL


119 posted on 02/04/2009 12:57:59 PM PST by Vendome
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To: MahatmaGandu

There’s a book I read called the “JFK Assasination tapes” which are just transcripts of tapes from LBJ’s oval office pertaining to the aftermath of the assasination. It’s basically original source history as the words are LBJ’s and his interlocutors, as opposed to some author’s version of what did or didn’t happen.

Having read this book I am sure of one thing - which is that LBJ wanted the Warren Commission to be a blue ribbon rubber stamp of the lone nut theory. The idea was to get as many eminence grise on board as possible, to get it done quickly, and to get the report written and accepted as fact. Truth seeking was not part of the agenda - meaning finding the “truth” was not what the exercise was all about. And LBJ twisted quite a few arms to further that end.

This is not speculation. This is historical fact.


120 posted on 02/04/2009 12:58:02 PM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: 50sDad
It was supposed to be fifty years and then I recall as a kid in the 1980's hearing the files had been sealed for 100. And, yes, there are classified documents on the assassination.

http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/Freeing_the_JFK_Files

121 posted on 02/04/2009 12:58:33 PM PST by MahatmaGandu (Remember, remember, the twenty-sixth of November.)
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To: patriotgal1787
For those with an interest in the assassination, Dealey Plaza is worth visiting. I was a semi-believer in a conspiracy until I went to the plaza a few years back.

Some observations:

1) Not apparent from the endless documentary films about the Nov. '63 events is that the plaza is SMALL. I stood on the wall where Zapruder stood. The distance from there to the bush/fence on the grassy knoll (where "badge man" can be seen in the photos) is approximately 20-25 feet. From years of seeing documentaries on TV, I thought Zapruder was 30-40 yards from the grassy knoll. I was astonished at just how close the fence on the knoll is to where Zapruder was standing. Now, if I'm Zapruder and I'm filming, when suddenly a high-powered rifle goes off 25 feet to my immediate right, I would surely be startled and bobble the camera. I'd also look to my right, not calmly keep filming a motorcade.

2) I also stood behind the current stockade fence on the grassy knoll. Assuming that back in '63, it was the default 5' or 6' height for a fence of that type, you would have to be 6"5 or so to shoot over it. I'm 6'2" and could see over it, but would not be able to depress a rifle barrel enough to shoot downhill to the road below. I guess the second shooter had a milk crate to stand on??

3) If you stand at the fence and look to your rear, the railroad yard control tower is in plain view about 50 yards away across an open lot. Nowhere to hide.

4)Elm Street has a pretty steep downhill pitch as it runs down to where Kennedy was shot. From the book depository window, a target travelling away AND downhill from the shooter is easier to hit than one travelling away on a flat surface, as the distal movement of the target is more gradual. Try it yourself by sticking your thumb up infront of your face and moving it straight away by extending your arm. Next do the same thing while moving your thumb away from your face, this time at a downward angle. The distance from your eye to your thumb increases at a slower rate (making for an easier shot) when your thumb is moved away with a downward angle 5) I also stood in the window in the Sixth Floor Museum that is about 8 feet from Oswald's perch (Oswald's window is behind a plexiglas barrier). Looking out at the cars going by on Elm St, it's really a pretty easy shot. Having a vertical height advantage on the target and having the target moving downhill to boot, makes it not too hard to do.

In conclusion, I think Oswald did it. The bullet ballistics consipricies seem to be all based on the asumption that bullets travel in a striaght line. They do, until they hit something. Once inside a body, they can caroom about and come out at weird angles and with a trajectory entirely different than their original one. Oswald was having a really accurate day of shooting that day, just like some golfers have exceptionally good games on occasion.

122 posted on 02/04/2009 1:00:00 PM PST by Panzerfaust
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To: patriotgal1787

“Well after all, it was you and me.”


123 posted on 02/04/2009 1:00:00 PM PST by dfwgator (1996 2006 2008 - Good Things Come in Threes)
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To: Concho; outofstyle
It will be on the History Channel again before long. Lets watch it again.

Not everything on the History Channel comes from a burning bush. I'm going to watch Monster Quest tonght to see if the Loch Ness Monster is really dead. That doesn't mean I'm conviced it exists.

124 posted on 02/04/2009 1:01:25 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: patriotgal1787

Reading Jim Tague’s book convinced me that there was more than one gunman.

James Tague is a survivor and witness of the assassination. He received a minor wound when a bullet fragment brushed his face near the south end of the triple underpass.

Remember, the Warren Report said the first shot missed, but Tague claims with certainty that it was not the one that struck him. Factor that with all of the wounds that Connelly had.

There were atleast 2 shooters.


125 posted on 02/04/2009 1:04:02 PM PST by se_ohio_young_conservative ("A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not why the ship is built" Sarah Palin)
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To: 50sDad
Wow!

And here I thought I Had It All Figured Out!

Good thing you used 14 (2x7 = a Perfect Number) exclamation points!

That's how I know you got it right ... Had you used 13 exclamation points you'd have revealed yourself as a Stooge of the Oligarchy!!!!!!!

126 posted on 02/04/2009 1:05:33 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: max americana
Smokingman worked for Haliburton? Wow you learn something everyday.
127 posted on 02/04/2009 1:06:00 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Chevron 7 will not engage!)
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To: patriotgal1787

By the way, did you ever hear the remarkable coincidences between the Kennedy assassination and the Lincoln assassination? Mindboggling.... Fascinating... Eerie........

OK, the main ones are these:

(1) After Kennedy was shot, he ran to a theater... Lincoln ran to a Book Depository!

[OK, but here’s where it gets weird! The movie being shown when Kennedy got to the theater (mortally wounded I might add) was “The Gettysburg Address”! And when Washington delivered that speech heard round the world... there were no movie theaters in DC!!! Just amazing...]

(2) When JFK was hit (remember, he was nailed at least 17 times), Mrs. Kennedy was wearing a pink pillbox hat, which deflected several bullets... and Mrs. Lincoln shot John Wilkes Booth from a PILLBOX!

(3) Mr. Kennedy’s assistant was Mrs. Lincoln... and Mr. Lincoln’s assistant was.... Mr. Rogers!!! As we all know, he later went on to host his own children’s show—and was himself assassinated by a gun-toting dinosaur named: Barney... Harvey... Oswald!!! (Spooky!)

(4) When Jodi Foster was shot by Mark David Chapman, the pope (who has been known to run butt-naked through the woods, chasing defecating bears and felling trees when no one is around to hear or see it) instituted an order that henceforth he would ride in glass-encased pope-mobiles to events while in Texas or near the Dakota in New York!

Full circle...

There you have it. Just weird, huh?!?

;>)


128 posted on 02/04/2009 1:06:14 PM PST by Husker8877
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To: diverteach

but brain dead.


129 posted on 02/04/2009 1:06:55 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Chevron 7 will not engage!)
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To: Slump Tester

Look, JFK is one of the most overrated people in U.S. history, but the assassination was most certainly a bad thing for America. Kennedy didn’t really push a far-left legislative agenda (remember the tax cuts), and whenever he tried to, he was completely ineffective at getting anything accomplished. LBJ was an evil genius at handling Congress, and the JFK sympathy vote and Goldwater’s incompetence gave him a rubber-stamp Congress and a blank check for full-bore socialism. JFK may not have have been about to pull his advisors out of Vietnam as Oliver Stone would have you believe, but he could hardly have screwed things up worse than LBJ. On the home front, the riots, the drug culture, the crime, the moral collapse, and the all-around degradation of American culture and society from the mid-60’s on may well have happened if JFK had lived, but it’s hard to imagine that it would have been worse had he lived. In fact, because he likely would not have been able to massively grow the federal government as LBJ did, I expect things would indeed have been better.


130 posted on 02/04/2009 1:07:47 PM PST by Burma Jones
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To: Concho

Bullets from different directions? Please. The act has been recreated EXACTLY more than once with disturbingly accurate results. Oswald had a good day.


131 posted on 02/04/2009 1:08:16 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Chevron 7 will not engage!)
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To: Born In America
Agreed. I have played that stupid game many times with my rifles since I was kid. I can pretend that I acquired, breathed, focused, fired... the muzzle travels up and left/right and little bounce. Repeat process two more times in 8 seconds. I can on a fixed target where the point of reference does not change and the sighting is level. It can still be at an angle but the target would still need to stationary to reacquire.

Now, a target that is in a vehicle moving at 30 miles per hour, on a road that has dips in it, and the angle of acquisition is some 50 degrees down(so I would have to aim high to compensate) and the target is moving around in said vehicle and then the first shot would have to be within my field of range as the Presidential Limo comes around the corner so I could lead the target then blam! Maybe but the 2nd and 3rd shot? I have to recover muzzle back to target that has moved from where it was. Hopefully, there would zero wind that help too. Tall building usually have vortices's beginning at the 3rd story so I would have to compensate for that as well.

Then again I am not a Marine.

132 posted on 02/04/2009 1:09:08 PM PST by Vendome
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To: patriotgal1787

Obama’s mother did it, because JFK knew that little Barrack was really born in Kenya.


133 posted on 02/04/2009 1:09:35 PM PST by mlo
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To: chuck_the_tv_out

ROFLMAO...god one.


134 posted on 02/04/2009 1:09:37 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Chevron 7 will not engage!)
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To: Husker8877

And the oddest coincidence between Lincoln and Kennedy:

One year to the day before he was shot, Lincoln was in Monroe, Maryland. One year to the day before he was shot, Kennedy was in Marilyn . . . oh, never mind.


135 posted on 02/04/2009 1:10:34 PM PST by Burma Jones
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To: patriotgal1787
Others herein believe that big things cannot happen without us finding out; right. Really big money, try trillions of foreign dollars can muddy our current reality; more like is...

Let me see, President Kennedy was the last US president to issue US currency (notes); some 2B of them. Two months later he was dead.

The Federal Reserve is neither Federal nor a reserve. Yet it's creation and secret power is hidden from all but one in a million. It has never been audited although Congress has tried. This is the biggest fraud in world history and most haven't a clue...

136 posted on 02/04/2009 1:10:55 PM PST by veracious
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To: Obamageddon

No kidding?! She was crawling out the back of the Limo. /


137 posted on 02/04/2009 1:12:18 PM PST by Vendome
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To: Born In America

Really? Several gunman have recreated it to the last detail. I own a Manliccher and can easily pop off three on target. As far as the “direction of the shot” c%ap. I have killed about everything that moves in North America and bullets and critters do some strange things from time to time..


138 posted on 02/04/2009 1:12:21 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Chevron 7 will not engage!)
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To: pnh102
If there was a conspiracy it would involve hundreds or even thousands of people at all levels of government working in consort.

By definition, a conspiracy would need to involve a minimum of two people. I do believe that more than two people were involved in the planning that led up to the killing of JFK, but I don't believe this conspiracy involved hundreds or even thousands of people.

139 posted on 02/04/2009 1:13:24 PM PST by Isabel C.
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To: Waco

Give me five old Carcanos similar to Oswalds and I’ll get five-inch groups out of at least four of them at double the distance of Oswald’s longest shot. And I’ll use an off-brand scope just like Oswald. I would bet I’ll get a two-inch group with at least one.

Of course gun expert Oliver Stone sez the Carcano was designed not to kill people.


140 posted on 02/04/2009 1:13:59 PM PST by Monterrosa-24 ( ...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
...Stooge of the Oligarchy!!!!!!!

Firstly, I'd expect that kind of thinking from one of the TEMPLERS!

Secondly, if you remove one of the exclaimation points you used, because one times anything is still itself, then you have six, which as everyone knows is made up of four and two, and you get...42! The Answer to Everything!

141 posted on 02/04/2009 1:14:51 PM PST by 50sDad (No Irish May Apply: Tell me I haven't been discriminated against.)
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To: dmz

Hey- waht you talk’em about all those people are DEAD. ;-p


142 posted on 02/04/2009 1:16:37 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Chevron 7 will not engage!)
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To: Deb

Around here we call that an easy shot at a running mule deer.


143 posted on 02/04/2009 1:18:29 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Chevron 7 will not engage!)
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To: MahatmaGandu

Two things I believe: 1) Oswald was definitely involved. The proof is that he left his wedding ring and his money for his wife before leaving for work that day. If he was an innocent little waif who just happened to be at the wrong place and the wrong time, he wouldn’t have done that the morning he leaves for an assumed ordinary day of work.

2) While there may or may not have been a conspiracy to shoot JFK, there was definitely one to cover it up, fearing the clues might point to the Russians, the Cubans or someone else and start another world war. So, even if there were cohorts involved with Oswald, the Warren Commission’s purpose was to make sure all the evidence pointed only to the “lone nut”. That cover-up may have also included killing off potential talkers.

Hollywood could not have found a guy from central casting to be a conspiracy clearinghouse more than this man, what with his ties to Castro, Russia, the mob and military intelligence.

But, from just about everyone who knew him, Oswald was considered bright but a loner, a screw-up and a loser who longed for political change. The question is: if you were part of an organization plotting to assassinate an American president, would you want a guy like that anywhere near your operation? My answer is “no” and that is my strongest point for believing he did it alone - that no same person would hire Lee Harvey Oswald to do that job. He seemed to have taken it upon himself to do that job.


144 posted on 02/04/2009 1:21:20 PM PST by OrangeHoof (YES WE CAN have a Depression.)
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To: wagglebee

“Exactly, that many people couldn’t keep a secret for this long...”

Not quite....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compartmentalization_%28intelligence%29


145 posted on 02/04/2009 1:22:51 PM PST by mo
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To: Panzerfaust
I came to exactly the same conclusions when I visited DP> It is a very small place!!!
146 posted on 02/04/2009 1:22:53 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Chevron 7 will not engage!)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Obama is a great man, and Michelle has more style than Jackie.

????? Michelle has more style - has more style - has style . . . . . Are you kidding????

Michelle has as much style as your typical unmade dorm room bed in the football wing!

147 posted on 02/04/2009 1:26:01 PM PST by Freeper (Remote Space is not that Remote. If you could drive your car straight up - it's only an hour away.)
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To: 50sDad; Rinnwald

The amazing thing is I although I have seen Red Dwarf, I didn’t realize I stole that plot. And got it wrong to boot.


148 posted on 02/04/2009 1:33:21 PM PST by Unlikely Hero ("Time is a wonderful teacher; unfortunately, it kills all its pupils." --Berlioz)
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To: Burma Jones
With his inability to keep it in his pants, I have no doubt things would have been worse. Ever hear of blackmail? (How do you think the chicoms got so much out of Clinton?)

JFK deserved his fate for the Bay of Pigs debacle alone.

Anytime a Kennedy takes a dirt nap, the country is better off.

149 posted on 02/04/2009 1:39:09 PM PST by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

A meth addict trying to make a few bucks trading on his father’s name is not something. It’s nothing.


150 posted on 02/04/2009 1:42:59 PM PST by Valpal1 (Always be prepared to make that difference.)
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