Results from nationwide poll (Overwhelming support for teaching both sides of Evolution debate)

Zogby International ^ | February 3, 2009

[tacticalogic]

Okay, have someone read this to you very slowly: It is incumbent upon the proponents of a theory to prove it.

Do you think you can prove ID?

[ColdWater]

You just have to look back at all the TOE/ID/Creationism threads on Freerepublic to realize that the “controversy” makes the subject far, far, more interesting than simply presenting the orthodox view.

Looking at all these threads I see repeated the fake science of the creationists' web sites over and over again. It is not interesting. It is pathetic to see how so many are fooled by these guys and actually send in money to them.

[Cedric]

We’re waiting.

[mlo]

"No, since the Bible does not declare alchemy nor flat earth notions to be true."

Then you are admitting it is a matter of religion, not science.

[ColdWater]

I didn't know that.

But you do know that ID proposes that life originated from simple elements in pond scum and that man evolved from animals that evolved from this original life over billions of years?

[Cedric]

Do you think you can prove ID?

Give us 150 years, a strangle hold on academia and untold grant dollars and we'll get back to you.

[Marie2]

I admit the Bible is not a science textbook.

I deny that its account of the creation of this world is in error.

I admit that true science supports and does not contradict the Bible.

I admit that God knows infinitely more than we do about everything.

[allmendream]

“I'm never going to get caught in the trap of trying to prove to you that Genesis is true by science. I'm just going to proclaim to you what Genesis says and let science bow its knee to that explanation.” Minister John MacArthur

This is all anyone interested in science needs to know about Creationists and their view of the Bible and science. They know it is a trap, so they are not actually interested in scientific evidence to support their position, just interested in making everyone and everything “bow its knee” to their inane Biblical interpretation.

Using this criteria how would one ever disabuse themselves of the notion that the Earth doesn't move? Obviously one who knows that the Earth does move can read Psalm 104:5 with a clearer eye to its true meaning than a literalist.

Psalm 104:5 He laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be moved forever

[Cedric]

No, Einstein.

Read much?

[ColdWater]

(Overwhelming support for teaching both sides of Evolution debate)

NO WHERE in your link did it propose teaching 'another side of the Evolution debate'.

[tacticalogic]

Give us 150 years, a strangle hold on academia and untold grant dollars and we'll get back to you.

Talk about an entitlement mentality.

[Cedric]

Do you know the literal, Hebrew translation of that verse?

[tacticalogic]

Give us 150 years, a strangle hold on academia and untold grant dollars and we'll get back to you.

Did the people taking this survey know that this is what they meant by "teaching both sides of the issue"?

[pallis]

I’m of the opinion that kids would get a lot more out of science classes if they didn’t waste any time on origins. The subject of origins isn’t required for teaching applicable facts of science, including biology. The most brilliant cell biologist on earth could be completely void of opinions on origins, and it wouldn’t make a diddly-squat bit of difference. The same goes for any of the various fields of botany or zoology. I’m not trying to get anyone riled up here, just stating my opinion. Parents can teach their kids creationism or evolution, whichever one represents their faith.

[whattajoke]

Indeed. Can you tell me about any verses on alchemy or flat earth?

Oh I don't want to play this game. There are several verses in both testaments that speak of the "four corners of the earth." Does that mean anything beyond colloquialisms or the limited knowledge of the earth's true shape to Isiah, Job, Jeremiah, or Daniel? (Or whomever wrote those books). I don't particularly care. Of course the Greeks figured the earth was round 3-400 years before Christ.

Those aren’t missing links, sorry, try again. I’d like to see the link species between one species and the next. Most especially, I’d like to see the one between apes and man.

? I'm interested in what you think those skulls represent.

[ColdWater]

“Psalm 104:5 He laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be moved forever”

That is obviously a metaphor or something or other. You have to relate that to other relevant passages to understand the true meaning. You are not an expert in the Bible so you are not qualified to interpret the Bible. Oops. I didn’t mean ‘interpret’. Obviously the Bible is the literal word of God and does not need interpreting. The problem is that you are quoting a passage in English. In order to get the right meaning, you have to go back to the original Hebrew text. It takes a learned scholar to do that. So please, do not try to understand the Bible. Just go on what my Sunday School teacher tells us is fact. In case you missed sunday school, I have a few creationist websites I can link you to. BTW, they sell all kind of neat merchandise. Lots of tapes and DVD’s also!

[Cedric]

Talk about an entitlement mentality.

Yup, that's the evo bullies, too lazy to get off their fat, grant sucking asses and try to dig up (pun) the evidence they promised over 150 years ago.

[allmendream]

Young’s Literal Translation

Psalm 104:5 He hath founded earth on its bases, It is not moved to the age and for ever.

[tacticalogic]

Yup, that's the evo bullies, too lazy to get off their fat, grant sucking asses and try to dig up (pun) the evidence they promised over 150 years ago.

You can leave the "I know you are, but what am I?" arguement on the playground. This is class time.

[ColdWater]

Did the people taking this survey know that this is what they meant by "teaching both sides of the issue"?

Didn't the headline distort the results of the survey? I didn't see anything about teaching 'both sides'. I only saw that the surveyed wanted to teach the scientific evidence for and against evolution. That doesn't mean teach another side.