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Do These Mysterious Stones Mark The Site Of The Garden Of Eden?
Daily Mail (U.K.) ^ | February 27, 2009

Posted on 02/27/2009 9:47:03 PM PST by Steelfish

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To: SirJohnBarleycorn
Will the nonsense spawned by that idiot Rousseau EVER stop??

Man was never a "noble savage" living in harmony in a state of nature and at peace with his fellow man and environment, only to be "ruined" by society and civilization.

This idiocy was picked up by Marx who claimed that the development of human society had "alienated" man from his wonderful noble primitive self and we need communism to get back to the state of supposed wonderfulness. It's been the constant drumbeat of the Left ever since.

Amen, Brother Freeper, and preach on!!

41 posted on 02/28/2009 12:18:30 AM PST by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: dr_who

"Like, as we contemplate a new age of ecological
turbulence,like, maybe the silent, sombre, 12,000-year-old
stones of Gobekli Tepe are,like, trying to speak
to us, to, like, warn us, as they stare across the
first Eden we destroyed....dig it,man?"

42 posted on 02/28/2009 12:26:16 AM PST by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn
Will the nonsense spawned by that idiot Rousseau EVER stop??

The idiots, usually socialists or communists, who think living in a primitive hunter-gathering tribe was paradise, don't know what they are talking about. Those ancient people barely survived and I doubt they had much leisure time.

I have read an interesting theory that collectivists adore primitive tribalism because their minds are not developed enough to appreciate any form of human society beside a primitive tribe run by a strongman or an oligarchy. For millions of years all people knew was primitive tribalism, so people are still hard-wired to like that sort of arrangement.

Collectivists feel that even agriculture is vaguely "unnatural" and a threatening innovation. And they have even stronger misgivings about the Industrial Revolution and representative democracy. They cannot understand the sophisticated concepts in the Magna Carta or the U.S. Constitution. But collectivists instinctively understand a Stalin, Hitler or Mussolini who rules the "tribe" by commands, and most leftists long to be a "priest" in a one-party state, lording it over people. They think that because, theoretically, the best hunter could run a tribe of a few hundred hunters, that somehow this model can be expanded and a dictator can effectively rule a modern society by decree. So really the "progressives" want to take us back many thousands of years.

43 posted on 02/28/2009 1:08:25 AM PST by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: Steelfish

I took this article to be on the level, until the last paragraph. Now I realize it’s from “The Onion.”


44 posted on 02/28/2009 1:25:17 AM PST by Misterioso (Obama was elected not in spite of his color but because of it.)
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To: Big_Monkey
Except that regarding Gobekli Tepe there is not a shred of evidence that this happened.
While the site formally belongs to the earliest Neolithic (PPN A), up to now no traces of domesticated plants or animals have been found. The inhabitants were hunters and gatherers. Schmidt speculates that the site played a key function in the transition to agriculture; he assumes that the necessary social organization needed for the creation of these structures went hand-in-hand with the organized exploitation of wild crops.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6bekli_Tepe (emphasis is mine).

Herr Schmidt could be correct but it's a hell of a jump to say that the regional climate was destroyed by farming when there is no evidence farming much less destructive farming.

45 posted on 02/28/2009 1:33:34 AM PST by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn
The odd beak and head on the bird in that particular carving calls to mind the Dodo bird.

Yes, but why is it playing volleyball, and what is the meaning of the padlocks? And is the scorpion watching the volleyball game, or is it unrelated. So many deep theological questions here.

46 posted on 02/28/2009 1:38:32 AM PST by PAR35
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To: Steelfish

If this is the garden of Eden, where’s the conniving talking snake’s descendents?

Only idiots believe Eden / Adam / Eve to have been real. Serves them for believing in Stone-Age mythology.


47 posted on 02/28/2009 1:42:37 AM PST by MyTwoCopperCoins (I don't have a license to kill; I have a learner's permit.)
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

As opposed to believeing in a multi-armed elephant God?


48 posted on 02/28/2009 1:53:52 AM PST by Dat
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To: Dat
As opposed to believeing in a multi-armed elephant God?

This is not any opposition; rather, a complete alliance! Both are equals, in the realms of human stupidity.

49 posted on 02/28/2009 2:08:00 AM PST by MyTwoCopperCoins (I don't have a license to kill; I have a learner's permit.)
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To: Steelfish

The piece had to get that little “man changes climate” bit in there. Of course.


50 posted on 02/28/2009 2:43:49 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Steelfish
My bullshit detector started spiking after several paragraphs.

My personal suspicion is that Geraldo did it with help from the crop-circle aliens.

Cheers!

51 posted on 02/28/2009 2:47:06 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Straight Vermonter
Actually if the site is about 13,000 years old then the demise of the site may be from our crossing the galactic equator. Something we are going to experience again in a few years, 2012. If all the earth changes speculated about from earthquakes to floods then it would explain the desperate sacrifices to unseen gods.
52 posted on 02/28/2009 3:19:41 AM PST by EBH (The world is a balance between good & evil, your next choice will tip the scale.)
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

Well, just remember that those stupid people as you call them made the greatest civilization in the history of the world. Atheism made North Korea.


53 posted on 02/28/2009 3:20:08 AM PST by Dat
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To: Steelfish

Er...somehow I had a different picture of what the Garden of Eden looked like in mind.

54 posted on 02/28/2009 3:32:30 AM PST by HarleyD (US-Borrowing money from China to pay for abortions in Mexico)
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To: Straight Vermonter
As I looked at pictures online of this site, something was gnawing at the back of my mind. I had seen something similar to this before. Then I remembered:


55 posted on 02/28/2009 3:40:35 AM PST by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: Steelfish

Have they found any graves on the premises? A site so “sacred,” you’d think somebody would have to be buried there.


56 posted on 02/28/2009 4:06:22 AM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (American Revolution II -- overdue.)
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To: Steelfish

I read this and it was interesting. There was a general tone to the article that man is worse off now than it was before “paradise” was lost.

It is either disingenuous, ignorant, or stupid.

It may have been paradise compared to a time of famine, but not compared to now.

It’s the simple things. I’m sure their teeth were perfectly healthy. And none of them had lice. No TB either right? When people got the flu or even a common cold, paradise would cure it? How about premature births? Hell, let’s get real simple: what did they do about jock itch and swamp-ass????

absolute mindless drivel, in terms of the sense of loss in this article. Maybe the writer never went camping for more than 2 nights straight.


57 posted on 02/28/2009 4:19:49 AM PST by laxcoach
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To: Dat
Well, just remember that those stupid people as you call them made the greatest civilization in the history of the world.

I don't think so.

Atheism made North Korea.

No. Communism did.

58 posted on 02/28/2009 4:27:10 AM PST by MyTwoCopperCoins (I don't have a license to kill; I have a learner's permit.)
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To: eclecticEel

“Why we should all just up and become hunter-gatherers; since it’s such a paradisiacal mode of living. And I just love the little bit of rhetorical projection at the end; paradise was lost because of ...”

It’s wonderful being eaten by cave bears or Dire wolves.


59 posted on 02/28/2009 4:42:18 AM PST by dljordan
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins
Only idiots believe Eden / Adam / Eve to have been real. Serves them for believing in Stone-Age mythology.

Maybe not real, but perhaps archeological evidence for the source of the original oral traditions that eventually became written down in the Hebrew texts.

60 posted on 02/28/2009 4:56:37 AM PST by COBOL2Java (Obamanation: an imploding administration headed by a clueless schmuck, with McCain as his Kowakian)
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