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Victor Davis Hanson: Thoughts About Depressed Americans
pajamasmedia.com ^ | March 20, 2009 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 03/24/2009 7:45:58 AM PDT by Tolik

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To: AnotherUnixGeek
I think a lot of people would disagree about (3) and (4), which reveal old-fogeyism more than any insights into today’s culture.

Only an old fogey even uses a term like "old fogey" anymore. The current proper nomenclature is "Old A** Muthaf******"... usually with a couple of random, unrelated, misspelled words (usually with numbers in the place of vowels) worked in there for seasoning.

When I look at the current generation, it's clear to me that all the "old fogeys" that came before us were right... we really were going to hell. And now we've arrived.

If you need any real insight into todays culture, check out Chuck E. Cheese on pole-dancing night when they're giving away Lil' Wayne CD's.

41 posted on 03/24/2009 11:10:38 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: bill1952

If you go look at a high school textbook from say 1910, it’s unbelievable. Greek, Latin, classic literature; calculus. I’m not necessarily saying this is an essential part of a typical education program, but the level of study is orders of magnitude beyond what is taught today.


42 posted on 03/24/2009 11:36:27 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (Mr. Bernanke, have you started working on your book about the second GREATER depression?")
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To: Tolik; Jim Robinson
I stand in awe.

Jim, can we have this posted next to the "mission statement" for Free Republic?

...please??

Cheers!

43 posted on 03/24/2009 6:43:37 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
Please forward me a reference.

My wife is interested in this kind of thing...

Cheers!

44 posted on 03/24/2009 6:46:20 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Tolik

BTTT


45 posted on 03/24/2009 6:50:57 PM PDT by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: Tolik

Simple version...we are demoralized.


46 posted on 03/24/2009 6:57:14 PM PDT by Earthdweller (Socialism makes you feel better about oppressing people.....)
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To: Tolik

wow. He really is depressed. I’ve never heard him so negative.


47 posted on 03/24/2009 8:30:55 PM PDT by dervish (most terrifying words in the English language "I'm from the government and I'm here to help" Reagan)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

I’ll cede #3 but #4 goes to the essence of multiculturalism and values. If that’s “old-fogeyism” then the West is death bound.


48 posted on 03/24/2009 8:54:17 PM PDT by dervish (most terrifying words in the English language "I'm from the government and I'm here to help" Reagan)
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To: Tolik
Once again, VDH cuts through the many layers of nuance right down to the bone. He really has his hand on the pulse of America. It's really hard to say when this all started. It certainly wasn't seven months ago but the financial crisis has really brought every thing out in the open. I would call it a collective crisis of confidence that we are experiencing as a society. Hanson is dead on in his observations. I just wish more people in Washington and on Main St. understood the extent of the decay and took affirmative action to correct it.
49 posted on 03/25/2009 2:59:21 AM PDT by RU88 (The false messiah can not change water into wine any more than he can get unity from diversity.)
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To: Tolik

3.) A Certain Coarseness. We also are wearied by a certain crassness in American society in ways we have not seen before—or at least since the mid-19th century”
* * * * *

I was temporarily buoyed by the people I encountered at the book signing of Levin’s book. Several thousand folks, all bright, articulate, friendly, civilized, well behaved, polite, earnest and motivated.

What a breath of fresh air that was!


50 posted on 03/25/2009 3:10:23 AM PDT by Canedawg (Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press.)
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Victor Davis Hanson: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly —Part One of Three
pajamasmedia.com ^ | March 24, 2009 | Victor Davis Hanson

 

51 posted on 03/25/2009 5:08:49 AM PDT by Tolik
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To: Tolik

Many are just in mourning for a death that is occuring before our eyes. I see people going through the motions of life.

It isn’t a sorrow for one thing, it is a sorrow for ourselves for not having what it takes or knowing where to start to destroy the cancer that is Washington, DC.

Freedom appears to be on the way out.


52 posted on 03/25/2009 5:21:42 AM PDT by dforest
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To: ken21

We can.

But they might not anymore: Hardline Saudi clerics urge TV ban on women, music: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5h5732oHtlBM6bVxcVIFhfbhjfn0QD9738O600


53 posted on 03/25/2009 5:43:30 AM PDT by Tolik
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To: Just another Joe

Ding Ding Ding!

At it’s like the people who do have a clue are wrong or mean for pointing it out.

When did bad manners and stupidity become the norm?


54 posted on 03/25/2009 6:08:22 AM PDT by jr.ewing.78
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To: jr.ewing.78
When did bad manners and stupidity become the norm?

Late '80s/early '90s.

55 posted on 03/25/2009 6:10:22 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Tolik; RedRover

Wow. Excellent. Pinging for an interesting read, Red.


56 posted on 03/25/2009 9:01:45 AM PDT by Girlene
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To: Pan_Yan

A very good read.


57 posted on 03/25/2009 10:05:09 AM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife
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To: All
Excellent. I believe Victor Davis Hanson is on the verge of forcing historians and economists to rethink the “Great Depression” and our current situation. Could it be that economic depression is not the point in time when society dips into a collective depression, but instead the accumulation of depressing events that lead to economic depression.

I personally believe the latter to be the case. Society must be in a depressed mood before an economic depression can find a foothold.

If the latter is true, our debt situation has played a role creating such a sense of depression, and increasing debt, personally or collectively, will not alter that perception, but ultimately add to the perception and lead to an ever deepening sense of depression throughout society.

58 posted on 03/25/2009 10:15:39 AM PDT by backtothestreets
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To: sweetiepiezer

I have seen where Mark Levin and Dick Morris have put on weight since Obamanation and so have I.
OBAMA IS MAKING US FAT!!!!!!!
Get him out.
////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

Meanwhile RipSawyer, out of step even as a boot camp marcher, proudly stays out of step by actually dropping a few pounds since the election. Obama is killing my appetite, he is making me sick to my stomach.


59 posted on 03/26/2009 6:29:38 AM PDT by RipSawyer (Change has come to America and all hope is gone.)
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To: r9etb

“The answer in one word: decadence.
We are victims of our own wealth — as a society we’ve learned to live with it, and to value it, but not to produce it.”
//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Verily thou doest speak the truth. He who has a hut, a cow and a pig and is looking forward to adding some chickens is infinitely better off than one who has received wealth not of his own making and is engaged in steadily losing it through his own misunderstanding of reality.

Or, in other words, “It ain’t what you got, it’s how you feel about it.”


60 posted on 03/26/2009 6:39:43 AM PDT by RipSawyer (Change has come to America and all hope is gone.)
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