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To: Wpin
Your ridiculous speculation that the image in the shroud would not fit the “average Jew” and “average height” whatever the hell that means...you don’t have a clue what those are, neither do the sources you got your information from. Indeed, you never did answer my question asking you if you knew that bronze age Greeks were taller than modern day? I didn’t bother to inform you that there was no real average height for knights in the medieval period. Much depended on food supply while being a child so heights varied quite a bit.

Interesting fact... the heights of medieval knights was thought to be fairly short because of measurements of surviving suits of armor. That has since been found to be erroneous. Excavations of burials of knights have found that they were actually fairly robust and tall men. In most cases indistinguishable from the heights of modern men. The food the knights received as children was usually excellent, being of the nobility, and therefore they were not deprived of anything in their childhood.

The error occurred because, just like today, CHILDREN tend to outgrow clothing before the wear it out. And young knights OUT GREW their original armor... before it wore out. The armor that was placed on display was often the adolescent suits that had been out grown by the families cadets as they grew and were trained. The adult armor was used, remade, and scrapped. The complete sets that were made for teenage boys that were outgrown were the ones placed on display. Those were the one that got measured.

232 posted on 02/03/2010 8:53:04 AM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE isAAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Swordmaker

“Interesting fact... the heights of medieval knights was thought to be fairly short because of measurements of surviving suits of armor. That has since been found to be erroneous. Excavations of burials of knights have found that they were actually fairly robust and tall men. In most cases indistinguishable from the heights of modern men. The food the knights received as children was usually excellent, being of the nobility, and therefore they were not deprived of anything in their childhood.”

I cannot help but wonder where in the heck you get your information. Knights ate better than peasants, but to say they ate “excellent” is ignorant of history. Indeed, we see knights from one region taller than knights from another depending on how well one region is doing compared to the other during specific time frames. The diet in Europe varied in terms of adequacy much more than today and even much more than in some areas during the Bronze age. Body heights fluctuated accordingly. But, the nut of our topic would relate it to the shroud, you believe that your hypothesis (which is wrong) that knights were taller on average...than jews were on average...a millenium plus before constitutes evidence that the Shroud has to be a fake...and your evidence that Jesus is not tall is that because Judas pointed him out to the Romans that came to arrest him...that is ridiculous and any reasonable individual understands that. Again, I ask you...what genetic traits does God have? God is the father of Jesus Christ after all...or are you saying that you have proof that God is not the father of Jesus? If so, let’s hear it...


240 posted on 02/04/2010 3:44:35 PM PST by Wpin (I do not regret my admiration for W)
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