Posted on 04/16/2009 6:50:11 AM PDT by rrdog
What is the root of the secessionist movement? The driving force at the grass roots level is of course money. Many Americans are rightly disturbed by the transfer of their wealth, and the wealth of their children, to companies that made risky investments, or were poorly managed. This is new territory for the government. The transfer started under George W. Bush with his bank bailout and auto makers bailouts, and the Obama administration has really poured on the spending with additional bailouts and stimulus packages. Citizens of more fiscally conservative states are finding that there money is being redirected from their pockets, and sent to other states.
In years past politicians from both parties have used the guilt factor to increase spending for the "needy". This tempers the backlash from the populace as they realize they are to sacrifice a new boat, or nicer home, for the greater good of society. Today, citizens are being asked to sacrifice their children's education, vacations, and even the home they are in, so that money can be transferred from their wallets to multi-billion dollar corporations.
When we add more government controls and regulations on everything from cigarettes, to fast food and guns, we begin to see the problem. Government is now coming at everyone at some level, over some issue. This piling on is causing those fringe secessionist movements to became mainstream very quickly.
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Sorry, I really haven't followed the entire thread so your point went way over my head. It's an unusual sentence you put together there, that's all I'm sayin'.
After the very long puking ordeal...I think them fine men would explain that our Rights are GOD given about two seconds before Mr. Washington tested one of these new and improved firearms on a human skull!!!!
I think I will have that drink now....I drink to our Southern Ancestors who would not be “reconstructed”.
the TRUTH is that secession was/IS perfectly LAWFUL & CONSTITUTIONAL.
free dixie,sw
Amen!! The purpose of government is to protect our rights, secure our liberties, defend those that cannot defend themselves, and ensure our freedom. Other than that, it should keep out of our lives.
In response to our warnings, we were met with opposition from within our own ranks. There were the libertarians, who openly sided with the leftists trying to destroy our traditions (I had a debate with some of them on another thread today who were promoting GOP acceptance of same-sex “marriage” and “gay rights”).
Then, there were the so-called “moderate” conservatives who courted favor with the media by siding with the left on cultural issues. These people promoted fiscal conservatism and military conservatism, but professed embarrassment over the “fundies” who opposed abortion, pornography, the homosexual agenda, and leftist control of education.
Add to that the country club Republicans whose only worry is about corporate tax rates, and who dismiss the concerns of people of faith as insignificant. Plus, they want cheap labor so they sided with the left when it came time to flood America with millions of Third Worlders.
Finally, the Politically Correct conservatives whose greatest fear is being called a “racist” (and you can add in “sexist” and “homophobe”). They melt like butter in a frying pan the moment they're accused of these things, and retreat immediately.
The result is that we let the culture go to hell, and the Cultural Marxists from Gramsci to Marcuse to Alinsky carried the day. We now have a country filled with unassimilable immigrants, with millions more about to be amnestied and added to the voter rolls to vote ‘Rat. The ‘Rats have an army of unwed mothers who depend on the state and vote ‘Rat. The schools churn out millions of brainwashed leftist kids each year, turning 18 and joining the voter rolls. Homosexuals have been politicized and now form a brownshirt contingent aimed at shutting down any remaining resistance to the leftist agenda.
So don't accuse us of retreating. We've been the only ones really fighting for the past 40 years while your presumed idol Barry Goldwater was siding with the enemies of Western Civilization in conceding our culture to the ultra-left and stabbing pro-life and pro-family Republicans in the back.
I'm more than willing to work to fix America and have said so. I've only stated what should be obvious to anyone who isn't willfully blind, which is that while the mushy Republicans I described above were MIA, the social conservatives were trying to protect our culture. Well, we couldn't do it alone, and thanks to so many Republicans throwing in the towel on defending our heritage, we now have a post-American culture ripe for Obama & Pelosi’s plucking.
I'll fight for our country and our culture, but all I see from the GOP today is Michael Steele, John “amnesty” McCain, his airheaded daughter, and his loser campaign manager telling us to move left and concede what little remains of our culture to the Cultural Marxists. Save your criticism for people who deserve it.
otoh, sadly i must tell everyone here, there are ALSO millions of SELF-impressed, arrogant, SELF-righteous, sanctimonious, MEAN-spirited, poorly educated, IGNORANT, nit-witted,south-HATING bigots "up there".
the DAMNyankees were/ARE the ENEMY of the southland,The Constitution & the BOR. - a pox on them all.
free dixie,sw
You said it, and I would add this: If the Yankees think so little of us Southern Rednecks then why do they want us to stay in this perversion of a Union? Answer: to be a Yankee is to be a Fascist.
Except for the English language, I share almost nothing with the "Northerner". I feel absolutely zero kindred spirit. I am sure the feeling is mutual, at least I hope so.
never forget: to BE a hate-FILLED, arrogant,DAMNyankee is to be NO BETTER than a RACIST.
free dixie,sw
We need a "Southern Moses" to lead us out of this Federal Political Desert. Just one Southern Governor really needs to stand up. Please.....
"Newt" COULD, but he's "too invested in" the STATIST, federal, BEAST.
free dixie,sw
free dixie,sw
it should say, "i know Tom & he's 'good people', for sure."
free dixie,sw
Ya think?
More impressive than the mere existence of the state constitutional provisions disenfranchising felons at the time of the adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment is the congressional treatment of States readmitted to the Union following the Civil War. For every State thus readmitted, affirmative congressional action in the form of an enabling act was taken, and as a part of the readmission process the State seeking readmission was required to submit for the approval of the Congress its proposed state constitution. In March 1867, before any State was readmitted, Congress passed "An act to provide for the more efficient Government of the Rebel States," the so-called Reconstruction Act.
Chief Justice Rehnquist, Richardson v. Ramirez, 418 US 24, 48-49 (1974)
No it does not. Article IV, Section 4 refers to domestic violence, rioting and the like. Article I, Section 9, Clause 15 gives Congress the power to call up the militia to suppress insurrections and says nothing about requiring the governor to call first.
As it was, even Congress refused to call out the militia when the states seceded, and they went so far as to REJECT a proposed amendment prohibiting secession.
The milita wasn't called up until the confederacy initiated the war. And I don't believe an amendment to ban secession would have been wise. No such amendment was needed to ban unilateral secession because it wasn't legal to begin with.
Reservations of the right to secede unilaterally were meaningless because such actions were unconstitutional, and the Constitution trumps local and state constitutions and laws.
I knew you couldn't, as nowhere does the Constitution prevent secession.
And as I have said over and over and over again, it isn't secession that is prevented. It's just secession without the consent of the states.
Dude, who had seceded in 1795?
1869 is 8 years after the fact.
And the 1795, whe the Penhallow decision was handed down, was 20 years after 1775, when the issues that were decided first began taking place. All court decisions at every level take place after the fact, or hadn't you noticed that?
Courtesy is something we seldom come across when dealing with the Southron contingent, yes.
Regarding his location, just because YOU haven't conversed with him doesn't mean I haven't. I count myself blessed to have a friend like Nolu Chan.
And I'm sure you have a high old time with him. Tell him I said "Hey" and ask him for the details on how Texas v. White was trumped up.
Regarding his location, just because YOU haven't conversed with him doesn't mean I haven't. I count myself blessed to have a friend like Nolu Chan.
If he had been banned then his user ID would have been pulled. It wasn't.
I know. Please quote from any of the Reconstruction acts where it refers to the rebel states as 'former states' or 'territories'. Please quote where the legislation says that the rebels states will be readmitted to the Union. Please direct me to the enabling acts that were passed to readmit the rebel states. Please point me to anything that says that the admission date for Virginia was January 1870. You can't, and the reason is that none of the rebel states were out of the Union for a single moment from the time they ratified the Constitution or were admitted to the Union until this very day.
Suppose, somewhere down the road, the mass population states on the coasts dominate the country politically to the point that the left is locked into unbroken decades of control of the three branches of government. The system of checks & balances no longer works. The two party system no longer works. The federal government casually restricts religious freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, and other constitutional rights, having asserted that their “interpretation” of the Constitution raises the interests of homosexuals, feminists, illegal immigrants, and others above those traditional rights.
The large states filled with leftist voters flat out won't allow the conservative states to leave. Furthermore, the population of those large states continues to grow massively as the federal government has thrown the borders wide open to increase the size of its own constituency. It accomplished this by deliberately violating the immigration laws by not enforcing them.
What then? Can the aggrieved states peacefully seek their leave without the consent of the other states, on the grounds that the compact (the Constitution) has already been broken? Or are they trapped in this post-Constitutional situation forever?
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