Posted on 04/16/2009 6:50:11 AM PDT by rrdog
What is the root of the secessionist movement? The driving force at the grass roots level is of course money. Many Americans are rightly disturbed by the transfer of their wealth, and the wealth of their children, to companies that made risky investments, or were poorly managed. This is new territory for the government. The transfer started under George W. Bush with his bank bailout and auto makers bailouts, and the Obama administration has really poured on the spending with additional bailouts and stimulus packages. Citizens of more fiscally conservative states are finding that there money is being redirected from their pockets, and sent to other states.
In years past politicians from both parties have used the guilt factor to increase spending for the "needy". This tempers the backlash from the populace as they realize they are to sacrifice a new boat, or nicer home, for the greater good of society. Today, citizens are being asked to sacrifice their children's education, vacations, and even the home they are in, so that money can be transferred from their wallets to multi-billion dollar corporations.
When we add more government controls and regulations on everything from cigarettes, to fast food and guns, we begin to see the problem. Government is now coming at everyone at some level, over some issue. This piling on is causing those fringe secessionist movements to became mainstream very quickly.
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I think that the federal government can regulate the kind of firearms a private person can't have: anti-tank rockets, nuclear weapons, howitzers, sawed off shotguns, what have you. But I don't think that the federal government can constitutionally ban firearm ownership altogether. The Second Amendment makes it clear that it's a militia issue and militia are a state matter.
Does the commerce clause ‘trump’ our Bill of Rights?
I'd need to know what you're talking about.
Would you support a Federal mandate or Bill making anti-gay comments by a Pastor a “Hate Crime”
No. I'm not a big fan of any hate crime legislation.
Tyranny is defined as absolute power vested in a single person. If Obama ever sinks to that level then you have my permission to rebel. But what your complaining about is the guy and party you supported aren't in power, and nothing in the Constitution guarantees that. I'm not thrilled about the Democrats holding all the cards, either. But my solution is to buckle down and develop our own ideas and leaders to take it all back. You want to walk off in a snit.
No~ Non-Sequitur
I don't merely want to walk out in a tiffy....
I'm mad as hell and ain't going to take it anymore!
I've worked all my life providing a home { that we own outright} Paying my own medical bills,sending my Wife threw College on our dime,teaching my children to work hard and be self sufficient,ext,ext....
Just to have this Government at it's own peril enslave me & my children to the welfare parasites,bums,war protesters,communist,tree huggers,gun banners,ext,ext
I've worked to damn hard to give it all back without a fight..I'd rather die fighting than on my knees licking the shoe of Lord Zero...... It's just not him neither
We can agree on this topic...Hate crimes are much like gun laws...They usually start by communist {splc} or the like finding an area that a few bald headed freaks walk around moving their arm like a broken windshield wiper...
After they get the initially laws then they go after any and all things they find offensive!
“I think that the federal government can regulate the kind of firearms a private person can't have: anti-tank rockets, nuclear weapons, howitzers, sawed off shotguns, what have you. But I don't think that the federal government can constitutionally ban firearm ownership altogether. The Second Amendment makes it clear that it's a militia issue and militia are a state matter.”
I think the Federal Government is much like that fat Cow Rosie O'Donnell...They want to subject ‘us’ to strict Firearm regulation yet they have ten or more Armed guards themselves!!
As for Concealed carry permits..Then you would agree that it is a State matter? Would you then agree that it's up to the State on which persons are disqualified from ownership such as misdemeanor convictions?
In 1776 the colonists had no representation in Parliament and no voice in their own affairs. That is not the case here.
The Founding Fathers would be in a blood rage if they could see what has been done to their noble experiment.
Probably. But that doesn't make this a tyranny.
It's the same at the local level.
As for Concealed carry permits..Then you would agree that it is a State matter? Would you then agree that it's up to the State on which persons are disqualified from ownership such as misdemeanor convictions?
I feel that if a state believes that people are responsible enough to carry firearms then they're responsible enough to carry them anywhere. What frosts me is all these states that say you can carry a weapon except... And then they exempt public buildings where they may happen to be - capitols, city halls, schools, what have you. I believe that there should be no exceptions whatsoever for public buildings of any kind. And on private property then the owner can decide otherwise. In cases like that you are free to make your own decision as to whether you want to patronize them or not.
Would you then agree that it's up to the State on which persons are disqualified from ownership such as misdemeanor convictions?
I'm torn on that. On the one hand the Second amendment makes no exemptions on what people have the right to bear arms. On the other hand, they tie it with the militia and a state has the right to set standards for militia membership. So I suppose the state should be able to restrict ownership under certain, specific, limited conditions.
Yeah you want to leave. Cut and run. Walk out because you don't like the big mean Obama and the nasty Democrats. Well, so far as I'm concerned cutting and running and surrendering are very much Southron traits. I'm staying. And I'm fighting for my country. All of it.
Depends if you live in a liberal cesspool or not...
“I feel that if a state believes that people are responsible enough to carry firearms then they're responsible enough to carry them anywhere. What frosts me is all these states that say you can carry a weapon except... And then they exempt public buildings where they may happen to be - capitols, city halls, schools, what have you. I believe that there should be no exceptions whatsoever for public buildings of any kind. And on private property then the owner can decide otherwise. In cases like that you are free to make your own decision as to whether you want to patronize them or not.”
Very good Non-Sequitur we might make a rebel out of you yet!
“I'm torn on that. On the one hand the Second amendment makes no exemptions on what people have the right to bear arms. On the other hand, they tie it with the militia and a state has the right to set standards for militia membership. So I suppose the state should be able to restrict ownership under certain, specific, limited conditions.”
I was talking in regards to this Federal Government imposing on the States who may or may not legally own a firearm! Some States only disqualify those who've been convicted of a serious Felony..The Federal Government has imposed on the States that {Keep the peace orders} without no finding of guilt are disqualifying...Misdemeanor convictions under ‘Federal Law’ in some cases are life long bans.....
Who ‘trumps’ Non-Sequitur? You do have the Supremacy clause on you side...However the Second Amendment is clearly violated not to mention the 10th>
Your damn right...
If you feel obliged in continued payment in your own demise be my guest!As for your Southron traits comment If you wish to jump of the cliff with the rest of these Marxist...I wish you a happy landing
Gresham Barret Booed at TEA Party
Gotta love the South!
No way in hell.
Truth hurt?
If you wish to jump of the cliff with the rest of these Marxist...I wish you a happy landing
And if you want to run away then do so and quit bothering the rest of us. We're staying and fighting for out country. Every inch of it.
Then you can remain a subservient mind controlled zombie..Tell us how the bottom of Zero's feet taste!!!
I believe it was the November, 2000 elections when Michael Moore referred to the Red States that voted for George W. Bush as "Jesusland"?
Your inability to read the writing on the wall does!
“And if you want to run away then do so and quit bothering the rest of us. We're staying and fighting for out country. Every inch of it.”
Before or after you try to force us to stay against our will to your suicide pact with Fedzilla by Gun point? Can we leave peacefully ?
Except for the English language, I share almost nothing with the “Northerner”. I feel absolutely zero kindred spirit. I am sure the feeling is mutual, at least I hope so”
I see this a tad differently...
We have them surrounded! Southerners who share that Freedom loving blood have relocated all around this Federal universe.. If and when N-S and his band of jackbooted thugs attempt to force us to stay...Well,He might find himself in a bit of a pickle!! New England & the Left Coast will be his new home..Possible in San Fran pinko with whom he shares much love!!!!
While you're smooching that part of his anatomy that lies about 3 feet up?
Sure. Delta is ready when you are.
No one is forcing you to stay. You Southron types have a long history of running and surrendering. Nobody expects any less from you now.
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