Posted on 04/16/2009 6:50:11 AM PDT by rrdog
What is the root of the secessionist movement? The driving force at the grass roots level is of course money. Many Americans are rightly disturbed by the transfer of their wealth, and the wealth of their children, to companies that made risky investments, or were poorly managed. This is new territory for the government. The transfer started under George W. Bush with his bank bailout and auto makers bailouts, and the Obama administration has really poured on the spending with additional bailouts and stimulus packages. Citizens of more fiscally conservative states are finding that there money is being redirected from their pockets, and sent to other states.
In years past politicians from both parties have used the guilt factor to increase spending for the "needy". This tempers the backlash from the populace as they realize they are to sacrifice a new boat, or nicer home, for the greater good of society. Today, citizens are being asked to sacrifice their children's education, vacations, and even the home they are in, so that money can be transferred from their wallets to multi-billion dollar corporations.
When we add more government controls and regulations on everything from cigarettes, to fast food and guns, we begin to see the problem. Government is now coming at everyone at some level, over some issue. This piling on is causing those fringe secessionist movements to became mainstream very quickly.
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Secession is a sovereign act of the People, and secession conventions are just like conventions to ratify or amend the Constitution. There is nothing "treasonous", either now or in 1861, about secession.
Chief Justice Chase, in his 1869 opinion in Texas vs. White (from which, btw, he should have recused himself, having been a Lincoln cabinet member through over three years of the Civil War), said that secession ordinances were null, void, and illegal. He lied through his teeth. The dissent was better law, but he was a political hack put up there in the CJ's chair by Lincoln himself precisely to do what he did: Homer for the Lincoln Administration and its prosecution of the Civil War.
Admitting that secession was legal and that Texas had done it the right way (Arkansas may not have) would have put Lincoln's War in a whole new, and unflattering, light.
The country needs to separate itself from the blue states, because the government will not take that action.
I like the idea, but can you imagine the logistics of relocation?
I realize that, but if ends up going to war they should know we have the upper hand. We carry guns, they don’t, and the military is more on our side than theirs and they will join us, not them. I think negotiations will help them realize we will win, and may be they will agree to step bakc and agree to seperation.
And I’m not talking just Texas. I’m talking about a full secession of the country.
Treason in 1861, treason now. Try supporting the UNITED States of America.
The problem is that liberals have conditioned most conservatives to respond in an unprincipled way to “sob stories” and to harbor irrational fears. I have been surprised at the number of conservatives who embrace liberalism on one or more issues on emotional grounds or self-interest.
Political secession without intellectual and psychological rehabilitation will ultimately be a blind alley,.
One state starting the ball rolling is all it will take.
“Jesusland” will all eventually tell the fedgov to bugger off.
Let them pay for the debt they run up.
Perhaps when they go bankrupt, we can buy their “shares” for pennies on the dollar.
The South came very close to winning anyway. Their problem was they were on the wrong side of history.
We must take it all back from those who wish to destroy this great nation. This time is different, you tell me who has the balls and the bullets now.
Wouldn't it be far easier to fix the Republican party, rather than banging our rattles and pooping in our diapers? Ronald Reagan showed how it's done.
Let them move to Texas...
Kicking God out of society will do just as you’ve stated.
Col 2:8 See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ.
Not this Northerner. I'd much rather see more conservative representation to overcome the inner city ridiculousness I see here in MN!
Well, let’s acknowledge that secession didn’t work 140 years ago. However, all one needs to is read the journals of the men and women of the time, Sullivan Ballou’s letter comes to mind, to understand that this generation might not be so willing to wage bloody war to force the issue.
All you have to do is read a few of these blogs and personal pages of our time side by side with these to realize the critical difference. Those who dwell in continual blubihood are more afraid of the discomfort that war brings than those of the Civil War age were of dishonor.
Definition. A blubie: Voters whose development was arrested at the mental age of 18 months.
The NappyOne
I’m not sure what you are responding to...I know that your historical facts are right because I am a Texan.
I’m glad to be a part of Jesusland here in Texas! The Federal govt.gets exactly what they deserve!
Are you a Constitutional Lawyer? Are you saying people can, both in writing and verbally, petition their state’s legislature for the Secession from the United States without fear of retribution from the Federal Authority?
Perry is a RINO and opportunistic politician. He is also ignorant of Texas history. It is a myth [unfortunately] that Texas has the right to secede. And if we did secede, it would be a failure unless we expelled all the same kind of Liberals that are destroying the whole country. Secession is unworkable and I’m opposed to it. We need to restore the whole country to the constitutional republic that it once was.
The trouble with his talking about secession (instead of, maybe the 10th Ammendment?) is that “secession” carries with it baggage.
What baggage you ask? That would be the baggage of the last secession which will be - mark my words - translated (using Alinsky’s Rule #12 - Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it) by those who want to “demonize’ those opposing the increased growth and intrusion of the Federal gov’t to:
“Neo-Secessionist apparently want turn back the clock 150 years in their desire to revive the Confereracy. People wonder if the governor of Texas also wants to reinstitute slavery, plantations, the fugitive slave law, and the 3/5ths compromise.”
Note for all those who will undoubtedly begin defending the Confederacy, their actions against the North, the evils of Lincoln, how schools have mistaught history, etc, etc, etc -— I am NOT saying I agree with what probably will be said, rather that it WILL be said.
I'll put you in the "no peacefull way out if this" category. Secession has a chance to work peacefully, your way requires a bloody rebellion, so be it. I care not which way, just start making way.
Rather than secession, I think we need talk of having a constitutional convention. Top issues should be reining in government spending, the Federal Reserve system, and putting some controls on the judiciary (bench term limits?) to curtail/end a judiciary that legislates from the bench.
"They" can say anything they want. I just want to be free from Fedzilla
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