Posted on 04/16/2009 6:50:11 AM PDT by rrdog
The USA I loved is turning into a nanny state that would put our founding fathers into a spiral in their grave. Leave the USA? ...nope .....It left me.
Open up the entire Constitution to be completely rewritten by the jackasses of the voting public and the dimwits that hold elective office today in this country? No thank you!
beware of Janet Napolitano....aka Janet Reno. She maybe sending in federal troops to the first seccession
Bullfrog
Agreed, but you know what the “ususal suspects” will say and how the thread will be hijacked into, well, you know what.
I’m ready to move: Texas, Alaska, Montana. Fine with me!
At the very least, as an intellectual exercise, people ought to discuss what the next Constitution should look like. Mind you, I think the original is a fine document that would be difficult to improve, but I would point out the following as weak points:
First Amendment -
If an intolerant religion approves of violently oppressing other religions, do we treat them just as we treat all other religions?
Lots of Americans think there is a mandated Wall of Separation so that religious sentiment cannot/should not influence government. Prayer in public schools? Uhhhhhh, isn't that against the Constitution? We need to clarify.
Second Amendment --
That allows the National Guard to exist, right? Or, it's aimed at hunters, yes? We need to clarify and make the purpose explicit.
There's an amendment that lets the government tax your wages. Bad idea.
There's an amendment that lets The People elect senators rather than the States. Bad idea.
The government can spend money it does not have. Bad idea.
The Constitution is a great document. But we need a better document. And I'd like to see a Constitutional Convention, but I'd like to have a sense of what they'd be voting on first.
We need to try voting out the criminals in congress, first before secession. and I agree with you alot on things.
but it is almost reversable at this point. It is time for doing something else.
Bullfrog
ROTFLMAO!!!!
But the past is past, let's look to the future. How do you accomplish secession now? Assume for the moment that unilateral secession is legal, how do you go about it? Do you allow the legislature to appoint a committee to vote on it and decide to secede, like South Carolina did? Do you hold a state referendum to vote on the issue? If you do, then should it be a simple majority that takes the state out of the Union or a super majority? What if 50.001% vote to remain, what do those that voted to leave do now? What if a majority vote to stay, but the governor and the legislature announce secession anyway, like North Carolina did? Or what if the governor and legislature announce secession and promise a referendum later to approve it, like Virginia did? Are either of those valid?
So as Texas goes you will see Mississipi. Alabama. Georgia,
South Carolina, North Carolina, and practically all bordering states to jin in secession
That would see the end of the first, second and any other
amendments that didn’t fit the marxist plan for utopia.
I want a free country and there are to many who only want
a free ride and free stuff. The truth is not welcome nor
is it a defense against what the present government has in
the works for it’s subjects. We are citizens only for a
short while as the ballot box gets tipped to those hands
reaching into our pockets.
I think the answers to those questions will be found in the Texas Constitution.
Can you quote the relevant article? I'm not up on the Texas Constitution.
Prayer in schools isn't the problem; government schools is the problem.
The Texas Constitution is a MAMMOTH document.
North Carolina has been so colonized by radicals in its many large universities, northern workers in Research Triangle looking for better climate, illegal aliens working in the agri sector and huge communities of foreign-born workers in industries, like the Hmong people hired by the tres-gay owners of Replacements, Ltd, (who also post pictures of them with their adopted "gayby" in the lobby), plus the huge numbers of gays that the university towns attract, and its history as a Dem stronghold that supported both John Edwards and Barack Obama -- I wouldn't count on North Carolina to join a new coalition.
No, but I'd expect the determination of whether it's within the authority of the Texas legislature to do it, or whether it requires a vote of the general population would be laid out there.
They should have moved years ago. Now they will go down like gm.
Here's an idea: How about we 86 Bill Ayres from our education system? How about teaching our kids how to think instead of what to think? How about teaching our people and our children the TRUE history of our founding and the thinking that went into the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights? Say, we could even teach them why 16th, 17th, and maybe 19th are wrong!
That way they won't be swayed by the wackos and moonbats, and we don't violate the rights of the socialist idiots at the same time!
I would think that the authority would be it the federal Constitution and not the state one. Admission to the Union and changes in status once you are in are controlled by that.
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