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The seal is broken on seceding from the Union and is now mainstream discussion.
U4prez.com ^ | 4/16/2009 | Eric Gurr

Posted on 04/16/2009 6:50:11 AM PDT by rrdog

What is the root of the secessionist movement? The driving force at the grass roots level is of course money. Many Americans are rightly disturbed by the transfer of their wealth, and the wealth of their children, to companies that made risky investments, or were poorly managed. This is new territory for the government. The transfer started under George W. Bush with his bank bailout and auto makers bailouts, and the Obama administration has really poured on the spending with additional bailouts and stimulus packages. Citizens of more fiscally conservative states are finding that there money is being redirected from their pockets, and sent to other states.

In years past politicians from both parties have used the guilt factor to increase spending for the "needy". This tempers the backlash from the populace as they realize they are to sacrifice a new boat, or nicer home, for the greater good of society. Today, citizens are being asked to sacrifice their children's education, vacations, and even the home they are in, so that money can be transferred from their wallets to multi-billion dollar corporations.

When we add more government controls and regulations on everything from cigarettes, to fast food and guns, we begin to see the problem. Government is now coming at everyone at some level, over some issue. This piling on is causing those fringe secessionist movements to became mainstream very quickly.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: 10thamendment; confederacy; confederate; cwii; seceding; secession; statesrights
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To: AUH2O Repub
Have supported the UNITED States of America my whole life. It will be YOU who now will support the SOCIALIST States of America.

The USA I loved is turning into a nanny state that would put our founding fathers into a spiral in their grave. Leave the USA? ...nope .....It left me.

61 posted on 04/16/2009 7:58:07 AM PDT by catfish1957 (Hey algore...You'll have to pry the steering wheel of my 317 HP V8 truck from my cold dead hands)
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To: Miles the Slasher
Rather than secession, I think we need talk of having a constitutional convention.

Open up the entire Constitution to be completely rewritten by the jackasses of the voting public and the dimwits that hold elective office today in this country? No thank you!

62 posted on 04/16/2009 8:01:37 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: pgkdan

beware of Janet Napolitano....aka Janet Reno. She maybe sending in federal troops to the first seccession

Bullfrog


63 posted on 04/16/2009 8:06:25 AM PDT by Bullfrogg
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To: rrdog
I was wondering, if a state did secede, what would happen to the state residents’ social security. What about the national debt, accumulated on behalf of all states? I wonder if we could just call it even, no more federal taxes, but we lose our SS checks. People who are retired or are nearing retirement may be reimbursed by the state by a small income tax that decreases until the only ones left have had at least 10 years with no SS deductions to build up their retirement.
64 posted on 04/16/2009 8:06:35 AM PDT by sportutegrl (If liberals could do math, they would be conservatives.)
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To: central_va

Agreed, but you know what the “ususal suspects” will say and how the thread will be hijacked into, well, you know what.


65 posted on 04/16/2009 8:07:04 AM PDT by PurpleMan
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To: rrdog

I’m ready to move: Texas, Alaska, Montana. Fine with me!


66 posted on 04/16/2009 8:08:47 AM PDT by DTogo (Time to bring back the Sons of Liberty.)
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To: Miles the Slasher
I think we need talk of having a constitutional convention

At the very least, as an intellectual exercise, people ought to discuss what the next Constitution should look like. Mind you, I think the original is a fine document that would be difficult to improve, but I would point out the following as weak points:

First Amendment -
If an intolerant religion approves of violently oppressing other religions, do we treat them just as we treat all other religions?
Lots of Americans think there is a mandated Wall of Separation so that religious sentiment cannot/should not influence government. Prayer in public schools? Uhhhhhh, isn't that against the Constitution? We need to clarify.

Second Amendment --
That allows the National Guard to exist, right? Or, it's aimed at hunters, yes? We need to clarify and make the purpose explicit.

There's an amendment that lets the government tax your wages. Bad idea.

There's an amendment that lets The People elect senators rather than the States. Bad idea.

The government can spend money it does not have. Bad idea.

The Constitution is a great document. But we need a better document. And I'd like to see a Constitutional Convention, but I'd like to have a sense of what they'd be voting on first.

67 posted on 04/16/2009 8:09:08 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (American Revolution II -- overdue)
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To: Texas Fossil

We need to try voting out the criminals in congress, first before secession. and I agree with you alot on things.
but it is almost reversable at this point. It is time for doing something else.

Bullfrog


68 posted on 04/16/2009 8:09:35 AM PDT by Bullfrogg
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To: lentulusgracchus
Chief Justice Chase, in his 1869 opinion in Texas vs. White (from which, btw, he should have recused himself, having been a Lincoln cabinet member through over three years of the Civil War), said that secession ordinances were null, void, and illegal. He lied through his teeth. The dissent was better law, but he was a political hack put up there in the CJ's chair by Lincoln himself precisely to do what he did: Homer for the Lincoln Administration and its prosecution of the Civil War.

ROTFLMAO!!!!

But the past is past, let's look to the future. How do you accomplish secession now? Assume for the moment that unilateral secession is legal, how do you go about it? Do you allow the legislature to appoint a committee to vote on it and decide to secede, like South Carolina did? Do you hold a state referendum to vote on the issue? If you do, then should it be a simple majority that takes the state out of the Union or a super majority? What if 50.001% vote to remain, what do those that voted to leave do now? What if a majority vote to stay, but the governor and the legislature announce secession anyway, like North Carolina did? Or what if the governor and legislature announce secession and promise a referendum later to approve it, like Virginia did? Are either of those valid?

69 posted on 04/16/2009 8:10:02 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: pgkdan

So as Texas goes you will see Mississipi. Alabama. Georgia,
South Carolina, North Carolina, and practically all bordering states to jin in secession


70 posted on 04/16/2009 8:12:04 AM PDT by Bullfrogg
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To: Non-Sequitur

That would see the end of the first, second and any other
amendments that didn’t fit the marxist plan for utopia.

I want a free country and there are to many who only want
a free ride and free stuff. The truth is not welcome nor
is it a defense against what the present government has in
the works for it’s subjects. We are citizens only for a
short while as the ballot box gets tipped to those hands
reaching into our pockets.


71 posted on 04/16/2009 8:12:19 AM PDT by jusduat (wondering,questioning,searching)
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To: Non-Sequitur

I think the answers to those questions will be found in the Texas Constitution.


72 posted on 04/16/2009 8:12:26 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic
I think the answers to those questions will be found in the Texas Constitution.

Can you quote the relevant article? I'm not up on the Texas Constitution.

73 posted on 04/16/2009 8:13:27 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: ClearCase_guy
Lots of Americans think there is a mandated Wall of Separation so that religious sentiment cannot/should not influence government. Prayer in public schools? Uhhhhhh, isn't that against the Constitution? We need to clarify.

Prayer in schools isn't the problem; government schools is the problem.

74 posted on 04/16/2009 8:15:41 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Shouldn't there be equal time for our Bill of Responsibilities?" -- Justice Clarence Thomas)
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To: Non-Sequitur

The Texas Constitution is a MAMMOTH document.


75 posted on 04/16/2009 8:21:27 AM PDT by Texas56 (The fat lady is singing.)
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To: Bullfrogg
So as Texas goes you will see Mississipi. Alabama. Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, and practically all bordering states to [join] in secession

North Carolina has been so colonized by radicals in its many large universities, northern workers in Research Triangle looking for better climate, illegal aliens working in the agri sector and huge communities of foreign-born workers in industries, like the Hmong people hired by the tres-gay owners of Replacements, Ltd, (who also post pictures of them with their adopted "gayby" in the lobby), plus the huge numbers of gays that the university towns attract, and its history as a Dem stronghold that supported both John Edwards and Barack Obama -- I wouldn't count on North Carolina to join a new coalition.

76 posted on 04/16/2009 8:23:07 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Shouldn't there be equal time for our Bill of Responsibilities?" -- Justice Clarence Thomas)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Can you quote the relevant article? I'm not up on the Texas Constitution.

No, but I'd expect the determination of whether it's within the authority of the Texas legislature to do it, or whether it requires a vote of the general population would be laid out there.

77 posted on 04/16/2009 8:23:31 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

They should have moved years ago. Now they will go down like gm.


78 posted on 04/16/2009 8:24:56 AM PDT by devistate one four (CW II on the way! Stand by. TET68)
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To: MrB
"Now, keeping the libs from leaking in, escaping their hellholes, but bringing their screwed up ideology with them - that’s a more difficult nut to crack... Ideological test? Voting history test?"

Here's an idea: How about we 86 Bill Ayres from our education system? How about teaching our kids how to think instead of what to think? How about teaching our people and our children the TRUE history of our founding and the thinking that went into the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights? Say, we could even teach them why 16th, 17th, and maybe 19th are wrong!

That way they won't be swayed by the wackos and moonbats, and we don't violate the rights of the socialist idiots at the same time!

79 posted on 04/16/2009 8:25:37 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: tacticalogic
No, but I'd expect the determination of whether it's within the authority of the Texas legislature to do it, or whether it requires a vote of the general population would be laid out there.

I would think that the authority would be it the federal Constitution and not the state one. Admission to the Union and changes in status once you are in are controlled by that.

80 posted on 04/16/2009 8:36:32 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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