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New Wrinkle On Avoiding Jury Duty
The Smoking Gun ^ | 04/30/09 | Staff

Posted on 04/30/2009 9:54:52 AM PDT by DFG

There are probably better ways to avoid jury duty than the approach recently taken by a Montana man. After Erik Slye, 36, received a jury notice earlier this year, he filed a notarized affidavit seeking to be excused from serving on a District Court panel in Gallatin County. Slye's caustic affidavit, which he prepared with help from his wife Jennifer, can be found below.

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To: mnehring
I know judges who would seat him to teach him a lesson.

Which would prove this man's point that the justice system is "crap."

61 posted on 04/30/2009 10:55:09 AM PDT by Roccus (The Capitol, the White House, the Court House...........America's Axis of Evil)
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To: jim_trent

Hamilton County, Indiana to me as a juror last year and I am registered. Maybe it is just you area


62 posted on 04/30/2009 10:55:24 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: DFG

I think this guy’s an idiot, and has an idiot for a wife/lawyer. The judge would have been well within his rights to fine and possiblly jail the guy for contempt for using language like that.


63 posted on 04/30/2009 10:55:25 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Pretending the Admin Moderator doesn't exist will result in suspension.)
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To: anniegetyourgun

The last time I went in for jury duty, the defendant was accused of murdering his drug dealer in a deal gone bad. The defense attorney asked, row by row, “If someone is found guilty of murder, would you be unable to consider probation?” The first row, not a hand went up. The second row, not a hand went up except mine. Instantly. The sheep were all looking around, and suddenly people in both rows said, “Oh, I couldn’t consider it!” and raised theirs.

I was, as you might imagine, cut. If it was self-defense or an accident that would somehow warrant probation, I would not be ruling to convict! If someone is guilty of murder, then no. There is a price to pay beyond talking to your probation officer every month.

There was a flaming gay guy in the pool who made it completely obvious he was trying to be cut. He kept repeating, “My conception of God as a spiritual deity will not allow me to sit in judgment of my fellow man. My conception of God as a spiritual deity will not allow me to sit in judgment of my fellow man.” He then stood up and said, “I’m going to the bathroom now.” The judge said, “Sir, we will have a break in ten minutes. I need you to wait, because if you leave, I have to dismiss everybody.” “Well, do what you have to, but I’m going to the bathroom!” He didn’t return from the break.

The next time I got a jury notice, there was an article in the paper featuring quotes from several judges saying, “80% of those summoned don’t even bother to show up. There’s no penalty. We don’t have the manpower to enforce it. We’re thinking of giving out free coffee and having a free internet cafe to encourage people to show up.” I’m thinking that article was a good way to get closer to 90%.


64 posted on 04/30/2009 10:59:33 AM PDT by Rastus (Jedi mind tricks would work on Obama.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Think about it though, isn’t that why we had the O.J. verdict? Competent people didn’t get seated on the jury, and look what we got. It’s important that FReepers participate as much as possible, to avoid this very thing.

I do, and found it interesting, and have described the experience on here in the past. Some of it was quite funny.

We had a case in Superior Court involving a street thug drug dealer. The County goes to extremes to make sure the jurors come from as far away as possible, so many had very long travels and were quite angry. The thug tried giving the jury Attitude Looks to intimidate them.

Very carefully, a little blued-haired old lady who doubtless resented the long bus ride caught his eye and very discretely drew her finger across her throat.

He decided to plead Guilty and we all went home that day.

But as in the OJ case, the Defense struggles in the selection process to make certain idiots and trash are on the jury. I think it's called "Peremtory Challenge".

65 posted on 04/30/2009 11:00:08 AM PDT by Gorzaloon (Roark, Architect.)
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To: DoughtyOne
It’s important that FReepers participate as much as possible, to avoid this very thing.

Exactly. I would love to serve on a jury, but I would have to lie during voir dire, even if only by omission, in order to get seated.

66 posted on 04/30/2009 11:00:37 AM PDT by gieriscm (07 FFL / 02 SOT - www.extremefirepower.com)
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To: ozzymandus

Luckily, I have only been called for jury duty once. In spite of being a witness for the state in an attempted murder trial and being asked about it three times ... I had to wait all day for the judge to dismiss me.

It was a case involving two young thugs fighting with the police - apparently.(they were very hush-hush about details of the case) Their lawyer asked a very interesting old guy if he could find her clients innocent if she proved it beyond any reasonable doubt. He pointed at the two thugs slouching in their chairs, laughing and smiling, and answered “No. They wouldn’t be sitting there if they were totally innocent!”

He was dismissed instantly. The two thugs snapped to attention and everyone had a good laugh. It wasn’t worth ten bucks though.


67 posted on 04/30/2009 11:01:13 AM PDT by open mind-closed fist
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To: jim_trent

I agree with you brother...I just got kick off a murder trial jury after they spent 30 minutes questioning me on how I determine facts...(I do R&D Failure Analysis on military systems)

They didn’t want someone who would objectively determine truth...they wanted someone who would accept subjective opinion as fact.

I went into this event thinking to myself “I’m going to do this to the letter and spirit of the law” I did...and I got kicked the hell out!


68 posted on 04/30/2009 11:01:48 AM PDT by Explodo (Pessimism is simply pattern recognition)
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To: Gorzaloon

Yes, I realize the defense played hardball and eliminated as many people with functioning brains as they could. The prosecutors didn’t do us any favors either. This case was really screwed up.


69 posted on 04/30/2009 11:14:09 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Pres__ent Obama's own grandmother says he was born in Kenya. She was there.)
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To: Gorzaloon

BTW, your granny story was great. Love it.

If the crook had any brains, he could have told the court what he saw, and the juror would have been removed. The signal of a predetermined verdict, would be cause for removal IMO. It could also be cause for court action if the judge were vindictive. The juror promised to keep an open mind and make a determination based on the evidence.

I like what she did, so don’t think this is a slam at her. It showed spunk and the guy got just what he deserved for the implied threat transmitted through his glare.


70 posted on 04/30/2009 11:16:58 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Pres__ent Obama's own grandmother says he was born in Kenya. She was there.)
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To: gieriscm

LOL


71 posted on 04/30/2009 11:17:19 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Pres__ent Obama's own grandmother says he was born in Kenya. She was there.)
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To: gieriscm

I’m tough on criminals, but I think I could weigh the evidence and give a fair verdict.


72 posted on 04/30/2009 11:17:55 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Pres__ent Obama's own grandmother says he was born in Kenya. She was there.)
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To: monocle
monocle said: "Can you provide a citation of a single founding father embracing jury nullification?"

Would you vote to convict someone of violating an unConsitutional law? Why do you need a Founder to tell you that Congress and the President can easily overstep their authority and that you may be the only one to prevent an injustice because of it?

73 posted on 04/30/2009 11:22:10 AM PDT by William Tell
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To: DoughtyOne

Defense attorneys don’t want people who can weigh the evidence; they want people swayed by emotion. I have a background as an engineer in addition to being an FFL, so no jury duty for me.


74 posted on 04/30/2009 11:24:22 AM PDT by gieriscm (07 FFL / 02 SOT - www.extremefirepower.com)
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To: gieriscm
Defense attorneys don’t want people who can weigh the evidence; they want people swayed by emotion

They shouldn't have to look very hard, 70 million voted for Zero.

75 posted on 04/30/2009 11:25:34 AM PDT by dfwgator (1996 2006 2008 - Good Things Come in Threes)
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To: jim_trent

Of course they don’t want engineers. They want people who watch daytime TV.


76 posted on 04/30/2009 11:27:27 AM PDT by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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To: DFG

I’d like to be on a jury. If charged, I’d like someone intelligent, informed, freedom-loving and inquisitive on my jury. Only serves right to return the favor, if preemptively.

Funny thing is, whenever I’ve been called it has been immediately after moving out of the county in question.


77 posted on 04/30/2009 11:29:45 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (John Galt was exiled.)
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To: anniegetyourgun
I always comply with jury duty....then I sit in the pool room with my bible, Rush Limbaugh book, or some other appropriate reading material in plain sight. For some reason, I’m never selected.

You too? I like to get a book by Ann Coulter, Laura Ingraham, Rush or any other conseravtive writer. So far, that has me batting 100% for getting the boot after the first round.

78 posted on 04/30/2009 11:29:55 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (It took almost 250 years to make the USA great and 30 days for "The Failure" BO to tear it down.)
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To: from occupied ga

So you don’t believe in the jury system!


79 posted on 04/30/2009 11:40:25 AM PDT by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: Minutemen

So you don’t believe in the jury system!


80 posted on 04/30/2009 11:40:50 AM PDT by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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