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Chris Matthews Portrays GOP as Anti-Science (Challenges Mike Pence about Evolution & Climate Change)
Newsbusters ^ | 5/7/2009 | Colleen Raezler

Posted on 05/07/2009 8:00:32 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Chris Matthews apparently thinks the GOP is just one big bag of crazy.

MSNBC's "Hardball" host challenged Rep. Mike Pence (R-Indiana) on the Republican Party's commitment to addressing climate change during the May 5 broadcast. Matthews claimed to Pence that the GOP is not passionate about environmentalism because, "There are people that really are against science in your party who really do question not just the science behind the climate change but the science behind evolutionary fact, that we were taught - you and I - in our biology books. They don't accept the scientific method. They believe in belief itself."

Matthews prefaced his argument with, "There are people on your side of the argument who believe that all the prehistoric bones we've discovered in this world, all the dinosaur bones and all that stuff was somehow planted there by liberal scientists to make the case against the Bible."

Pence called Matthews' argument "an interesting straw man" and a "caricature."

Matthews then confronted Pence about evolution, "I think you believe in evolution but you're afraid to say so because your conservative constituency might find that offensive." Matthews continued harping on Pence's belief that "God created the heavens and the Earth, the seas and all that is in them" by saying, "you don't believe that, you don't, you don't take a fundamentalist view of, of the seven days of creation do you?"

Later Matthews offered unnamed "polls that show that a huge percentage of the American people don't believe in evolution ... don't believe in climate change" as proof that the GOP is not "passionately committed to science or to fighting global warming or to dealing with the scientific facts we live with."

And what would a "Hardball" broadcast be without the obligatory swipes at well-known conservatives? Matthew told Pence, "The troubled is that your, your Rush-, your Mt. Rushmore now includes Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin and these characters that don't share either your intellect or your honesty."

Wednesday's edition of "Hardball" featured another discussion of evolution, this time with former Republican presidential hopeful and representative Tom Tancredo. Matthews repeated his characterization of the Republican party as anti-science:

Let me talk to you about what I think are the extremes on this position. One extreme would be there is no God, it`s all sort of random, we all ended up here, we don`t even know why we`re here. Right? That would be a random totally secular view of everything. I don`t think you or I are at that end.

The other end would be, "It's like it's written down in the Bible, we don't have to figure out science, it's all there." And if you really get into the Bible and you're totally literal about it -- I don't want to knock anybody's belief -- you get to the point of having to deny all the fossils out there because they all pre-dated 4,000 years of written history in the Bible, back to Adam and Eve, through the prophets all the way back. And then you have -- then you get into that crazy idea, Well, there's a bunch of liberals that went around and buried all these bones in the ground to make it look like there was ancient history.

Matthews followed up this argument by saying, "Well, I don't think most people believe that. I think except the fact there were dinosaurs that were around here millions of years ago. It wasn't covered in the Bible, et cetera, et cetera."

So if Matthews doesn't think most people believe the ideas he put forth, why bring it up at all?

Right. Because it makes the GOP look crazy.

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Colleen Raezler is a research assistant at the Culture and Media Institute


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: chrismatthews; evolution; mikepence; science
Watch the video of the interview here :

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/colleen-raezler/2009/05/07/chris-matthews-portrays-gop-anti-science

1 posted on 05/07/2009 8:00:33 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

The Intelligent Design site, Uncommon Descent, had this to say :

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/left-versus-right-science/

“This may come as a surprise to many of you, but Science, at least according to Chris Matthews, is a Democrat thing. Personally, I was unaware that there was a “deomcrat” way to do science and a “republican” way to do science. Someone might explain to me how that works. Is there a “left” scientific method and a “right” scientific method? Matthews certainly seems to think so! How ignorant and disingenous of him! (But, we’re talking about Chris Matthews here, the most misinformed commentator on the networks as far as I’m concerned)

Its worth noting how Matthews tries to build a straw man about Young Earth Creationism (YEC) and then claim that there a “many” in the Republican party who hold that view and who are “anti-science”. Matthews demonstrates admirably the left’s derision of anyone who would dare question evolution, stem cell research, global warming and who knows what else. Matthews appears clueless about the real debates in science about all these things, and ignores completely any of the moral questions involved, pretending, I guess, that they don’t even exist!

I’ll grant that Mike Pence is not exactly the best spokesperson for Science and scientific issues, but trying to tie him to YEC and Fundamentalism only shows how shallow guys like Matthew and those on the left really are. Matthews did a great job of making a fool of himself…but then, he does that almost every night. That’s why MSNBC has the lowest rating of all the news networks.”


2 posted on 05/07/2009 8:03:40 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Chris Matthews uses the “tinglie leg” method of determination ... if his leg tingles then it must be right ...


3 posted on 05/07/2009 8:09:08 PM PDT by SkyDancer ('Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..' ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: SeekAndFind

Matthews couldn’t win an argument with a shower curtain, let alone with anyone who has an IQ above room temperature.


4 posted on 05/07/2009 8:09:28 PM PDT by doc1019 (Without White Liberal Guilt, Obama would just be another worthless Congress critter.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Any conservative that goes on that show is a stupid putz.


5 posted on 05/07/2009 8:09:52 PM PDT by Sybeck1 (No teleprompters were harmed in the creation of this post.)
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To: SeekAndFind
""you don't believe that, you don't, you don't take a fundamentalist view of, of the seven days of creation do you?" "

People are being tested. One should not be embarrassed by the word of God. If you are, then have failed the test as a servant of God

6 posted on 05/07/2009 8:11:27 PM PDT by csense
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To: SeekAndFind
"God created the heavens and the Earth, the seas and all that is in them"

Yep. And I just get a tingle up my leg knowing this :)

7 posted on 05/07/2009 8:13:38 PM PDT by Mr_Moonlight
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To: SeekAndFind

Why couldn’t Pence give a direct answer?


8 posted on 05/07/2009 8:15:28 PM PDT by joesbucks (Sarah Palin: "I believe John McCain is the best leader that we have in the nation right now,)
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To: SeekAndFind
"There are people that really are against science in your party who really do question not just the science behind the climate change...

Yeah - we questioned the science behind The Population Bomb and the Club of Rome and the "science" behind the next ice age in the 70's. etc. etc. etc.

9 posted on 05/07/2009 8:16:00 PM PDT by GOPJ (Pinch Sulzberger,it so predictably turns out,is only a liberal with other people's money.Howie Carr)
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To: joesbucks
Why couldn’t Pence give a direct answer?

Because he doesn't know. He wasn't there when the whole thing happened. Do you ? I don't.

I think he gave the best answer : "I believe God created the Heavens and the Earth."
10 posted on 05/07/2009 8:17:55 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

The global warming lie is about as anti-science as any fraud scheme to have come down the pike.


11 posted on 05/07/2009 8:19:07 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (RATs...nothing more than Bald Haired Hippies!)
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To: csense

I second that sentiment.


12 posted on 05/07/2009 8:27:50 PM PDT by ABQHispConservative (A Blue Dog Democrat is an oxyMoron!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Chris Matthews is an old Democratic political hack. Maybe he should discuss something important, like spending trillions of dollars we don’t have, insulting our friends, sucking up to our enemies, etc.


13 posted on 05/07/2009 8:28:08 PM PDT by popdonnelly (The greatest crimes in history have been perpetrated by governments. You've been warned.)
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To: SeekAndFind

At this point, Hissy-fit and Olbermeister are paid to make complete fools of themselves, as there’s no other explanation.

Our hamster has more sense than these two put together.


14 posted on 05/07/2009 8:29:53 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: SeekAndFind
Because he doesn't know. He wasn't there when the whole thing happened. Do you ? I don't.
I think he gave the best answer : "I believe God created the Heavens and the Earth."

I'm reminded of a passage in one of my favorite science books, by Timothy Ferris -- "Coming of Age in the Milky Way" -- whereby he posits about how an Atom-smasher is like taking a hammer to a Watch to see what might come flying out of it, and then asks: How did the Watch get put together in the first place?

Ferris doesn't actually say the exact word, but he alludes to it with the above question --- only God could put this intricate complex system together.

15 posted on 05/07/2009 8:31:03 PM PDT by Mr_Moonlight
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To: SeekAndFind

Anti-science democrats deny the scientific fact that human life begins at conception.


16 posted on 05/07/2009 8:34:34 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: SeekAndFind; GodGunsGuts; Fichori; Marie2; metmom

It’s on!!!

Now we’re getting it direct from the MSM... won’t the Evo’s on FR be proud?

Maybe they’ll get a tingle up there leg when they listen to Chris Matthews now.


17 posted on 05/07/2009 8:38:40 PM PDT by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - Jesus said, "I am THE way, THE truth and THE life." Any questions?)
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To: SeekAndFind

But that’s not what he did. He tried to straddle the fence. Either he has faith it’s the fact or he says you know, it’s open for interpretation and further revelation.


18 posted on 05/07/2009 8:39:34 PM PDT by joesbucks (Sarah Palin: "I believe John McCain is the best leader that we have in the nation right now,)
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To: SeekAndFind

Me:
“Chris let’s just focus on the Climate so I don’t overwhelm your intellect and to prevent you from changing subjects when your scientific knowledge fails to support your ideology.”


19 posted on 05/07/2009 8:44:55 PM PDT by G Larry (Obama's plan = "STEALING FROM THOSE WHO CREATE THE JOBS!")
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To: SeekAndFind

Chrissy Matthews portrays himself as just another little loudmouth trying to make a name for himself idiot..


20 posted on 05/07/2009 9:26:04 PM PDT by JSDude1 (DHS, FBI, FEMA, etc have been bad little boys. They need to be spanked and sent to timeout!)
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To: SeekAndFind

“...to tie him to YEC and Fundamentalism...”

There’s nothing wrong with either of them!!..


21 posted on 05/07/2009 9:28:48 PM PDT by JSDude1 (DHS, FBI, FEMA, etc have been bad little boys. They need to be spanked and sent to timeout!)
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To: SeekAndFind
INSIDER 1
22 posted on 05/07/2009 9:36:29 PM PDT by odin2008 (EVIL TRIUMPHS WHEN GOOD MEN DO NOTHING)
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To: SeekAndFind; editor-surveyor; metmom; Alamo-Girl; betty boop; GourmetDan; MrB; valkyry1; ...

Ping!


23 posted on 05/07/2009 9:52:57 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the ping!


24 posted on 05/07/2009 9:56:26 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: SeekAndFind
Chrissy Mathews is a prissy little metro-sexual who's opinion isn't worth a bucket of cold spit.
Stop watching this nancy boy and he will fade away. By watching him you validate his existence. Stop empowering him.
25 posted on 05/07/2009 10:08:06 PM PDT by metalurgist
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To: SeekAndFind

Who watches MSNBC anyway?


26 posted on 05/07/2009 10:25:52 PM PDT by AndrewC (Metanoia)
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To: SeekAndFind

Hey Chris,

This man and his church believe you can’t have science without God.

Monsignor Georges Henri Joseph Édouard Lemaître (July 17, 1894 – June 20, 1966) was a Belgian Roman Catholic priest, honorary prelate, professor of physics and astronomer at the Catholic University of Leuven. He sometimes used the title Abbé or Monseigneur.

Lemaître proposed what became known as the Big Bang theory of the origin of the Universe, which he called his ‘hypothesis of the primeval atom’.


27 posted on 05/07/2009 11:07:40 PM PDT by Patriot Hooligan ("God have mercy on my enemies because I won't." General George S. Patton)
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To: SeekAndFind

It's not entirely implausible that the MSNBC hosts are closely related to
chimpanzees. Or that they would obsess on the hysteria of Darwinism, evolution,
and liberal metrosexual paranoid fears about mythical backwoods fundamentalists
interfering with their nocturnal "science" experiments... You just wonder how often this is a problem for him in Montgomery County. Do they wander in from
Mt. Airy and accost him in White Flint, demanding to renounce his infatuation
with prehistoric monkey bones and the imaginary big hairy rural swamp monsters
of his leg-thrilling fantasies?

Considering that a large faction of the liberal electorate and Obama's supporters
think that pregnancy can be prevented by copulating while standing up or
douching with Coca-Cola afterwards, this anti-science protest seems a little off just a tad.Let's get the Dems up to speed on basic science before casting stones here.


28 posted on 05/07/2009 11:08:05 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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Did anyone see the South Park episode where religion is eliminated and in the future atheists say things like “Science damn it” and “Oh my science.”

Sometimes those cats are really ahead of the game.


29 posted on 05/07/2009 11:10:49 PM PDT by Luke21
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To: Luke21
MSLSD belongs on South Park.
30 posted on 05/07/2009 11:15:11 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: GodGunsGuts

Chrissie started getting that tiongli8ng feeling up his leg again..


31 posted on 05/07/2009 11:21:22 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Well, that’s what happens when you have pinheads who don’t know anything about “science”, who then proceed to confuse “evolution” and “science”.


32 posted on 05/08/2009 7:44:02 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Third Parties are for the weak, fearful, and ineffectual among us.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Pris Mouthspews is a tingle leg idiot.


33 posted on 05/08/2009 7:44:44 AM PDT by Piquaboy (Military veteran of 22 years in Navy, Air Force, and Army.)
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To: Patriot Hooligan
"Lemaître proposed what became known as the Big Bang theory of the origin of the Universe, which he called his ‘hypothesis of the primeval atom’."

To say nothing of that Austrian monk, Gregor Mendel.

34 posted on 05/08/2009 7:50:51 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: SeekAndFind; GodGunsGuts; Alamo-Girl; metmom
One possible answer to Mathews.....

Mr. Mathews, have you made any sort of an in depth study of the theory of evolution, and the problems associated with it?

Are you aware of the studies which were carried out over a multi-decades period in the last century involving fruit flies and how miserably evolution failed that test? Are you aware that several top scientists publicly renounced evolution on account of those tests?

Are you aware of the immense problem which the fossil record presented for classical Darwinian gradualism and of the many statements which scientists have made describing evolution as incompatible with the fossil record?

Are you aware that Steve Gould and Nyles Eldredge tried to devise a new version of evolution, called 'punctuated equilibria' to patch up that problem, but that punctuated equilibria has problems just as big and is in fact a pure pseudoscience since it involves a claim of validation by lack of evidence instead of by evidence?

Are you aware of the Haldane dilemma and the gigantic time periods, greater than the assumed age of the universe in fact, whichevolution would take to create our present biosphere even if that were possible, which in actual fact it is not?

Are you aware that scientists and researchers are now finding blood, blood vessels, and other kinds of soft tissue inside dinosaur bones and of what that does to the time scales which evolution requires?

Mr. Mathews, you asked me if I believe in evolution; Do I look like an idiot to you? In actual fact only idiots believe in or defend evolution in today's world,people with brains and talent gave up on it decades ago.

Mr. Mathews, is there some reason why you didn't check any of this out before asking your arrogant question which seeks to frame Republicans as ignorant bible thumpers?

35 posted on 05/08/2009 7:52:46 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: SeekAndFind

Matthews is hardly the man to be speaking of intellect,or honesty.


36 posted on 05/08/2009 8:16:28 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: varmintman

Thanks for the ping!


37 posted on 05/08/2009 8:25:03 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: GodGunsGuts

Crissy Matthews and Barbara Walters are one in the same person


38 posted on 05/08/2009 9:04:43 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: csense

[[People are being tested. One should not be embarrassed by the word of God. If you are, then have failed the test as a servant of God]]

Dangit- then I want a do over


39 posted on 05/08/2009 9:05:59 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: SeekAndFind

Let me get this straight. The only people that can have Science are Democrats, atheists, and blind followers of Evolution? I call your bluff Mr. Hardball. I call your bluff. Science is not yours, nor is it the liberals, nor is it the sheeple’s who follow the Evolutionists. Science is about finding the truth using tools of measurement and observations, it is not about: worshiping Darwin, finding alternatives to God and hoping, or your party of baby killers claiming it as their own and smearing its integrity across miles of cow dung.


40 posted on 05/10/2009 6:49:08 AM PDT by Jaime2099 (Human Evolution and the God of the Bible are not compatible)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Very True.


41 posted on 05/13/2009 7:26:24 PM PDT by Patriot Hooligan ("God have mercy on my enemies because I won't." General George S. Patton)
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