(Also appearing: Newt Gingrich!)
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Penn and Teller are the greatest show in Las Vegas. Well worth every penny.
I believe I’m much more in agreement with Libertarians these days than with big government republicans.
“I don’t know what would be best for anyone. I don’t even know what’s best for me.”
The maxim ‘Nothing but perfection’ may be spelled ‘p-a-r-a-l-y-s-i-s’: Churchill
Well said. I wonder if Teller feels the same. ;)
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“the principles of LIVE-AND-LET-LIVE”
Just who is against those principles? Could you please be specific, rather than create a faceless imaginary boogeyman like Meghan McCain does?
If you want societal acceptance of homos, leading to more & more teaching of the joys of sodomy to kids in school, then please say so. If you want legalized drugs, then please, say so.
A conservative inherantly believes in live and let live. What particularly causes you to use the caps lock there?
He doesn’t speak for everyone, he claims. Teller doesn’t speak for anyone!
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For example, if I’m not willing to kill a cute cow, I shouldn’t eat steak.
Yep, he's just a nut. Equating the use of physical force with the killing of an animal as a source of food? Seriously???
Good for Penn Jillette. I think I’m about a 98 percent libertarian.
This guy speaks in language so vulgar, he is impossible to listen to, even though he has good points. He is also violently Anti-Christian, calling the Bible bullshit.
It's a little convoluted.
A more proper argument is that if you find it immoral to kill a cow to eat or for leather or for birth control, etc, then it doesn't matter if you do not EAT beef, that cows are harvested in this world is immoral.
Now then, if you oppose abortion on the grounds that it violates the rights of the unborn growing children, then taking a stance "not to have an abortion" still does nothing to end the immorality of 50 million dead people.
The mother's body ends at the umbilical cord, where one or more babies are growing. We recognize that a woman who smokes, dopes, or drinks or even takes necessary medications, may be doing her child physical harm if she does these things during her pregnancy. Can the mother be convicted of child abuse for doing these things if it isn't really a baby? If she abused her own body PRIOR to becoming pregnant, she would be unlikely to be charged with child abuse for any problems her child has during a later pregnancy.
The father is obligated to the child for 18 years if the mother becomes pregnant but the woman is permitted to opt out of her own obligations to that same child on demand.
Social conservatism does not have to mean executing abortionists or locking up people suspected of homosexual behavior. Certainly it would be a big achievement if the govt simply stopped *promoting* such behavior ($ for planned parenthood, special gay rights such as marriage) but there is a lot the govt can do without being coercive or expansionist. If the govt can put out an ad campaign to encourage people to join the Army or discourage drugs, it should also encourage better, perhaps private education or discourage abortion. It all falls under the ‘power’ of the bully pulpit; the govt should be able to use the modern media.
....Bravo, Penn Jillette, Last time I posted about Mr. Jillette speaking his mind was on Larry King, and all I got back was sh!t about, Why are you watching him? Or fook him, if he’s there. (King). Same drivel from this forum for 8 years bashing third partys, and now the tin hats from the third party are celebrated, and they need to be included in the Gee Ohhh foookin Pee! Cause uuuhhh someobody fooked up the last election, ?!? ,.!,,
Quote of the day!
His language faithfully reflects the depth of his thought. The devil in these matters is in the details. If a president elected with 51% of the votes promulgates his favorite policy, that policy may be against the wishes of 49% of the population. ANY policy is against wishes of at least one member of the population.
If shallow libertarians such as Penn had their wish, there would be no nation -— just a bunch of “individuals” roaming the forests in perpetual arguments and disagreements.
I like Penn’s rants.
I've said the same thing here over the years and been called a "Utopian nutcase" for it. At least I'm not alone.
"If 'more government' is your answer, are you sure you should be asking the question?" -DC