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Thomas Sowell on 'Glenn Beck' "are we are still a capitalist country?" (transcript & video)
Fox news ^ | May 28, 2009 | Thomas Sowell and Glenn Beck,

Posted on 05/31/2009 1:25:37 PM PDT by Ooh-Ah

THOMAS SOWELL, SENIOR FELLOW, HOOVER INSTITUTE: Thank you. Good to be here.

BECK: So let me start with that question — are we are still a capitalist country?

SOWELL: Oh, heavens. Partially.

We're not a socialist country, because the socialists believe in government ownership in the means of production, but the fascists believe that the government should have private ownership and the politicians should tell people how to run the businesses. So that's the route we seem to be going.

Video: Watch Beck's interview

BECK: So what route is that again?

SOWELL: The private people still own the businesses but the politicians tell them what to do.

BECK: Right, but isn't that — I'm trying to remember, that's —

SOWELL: That's fascism.

BECK: Yes, I was going to say, I knew it was a bad one. And I was going to say, I think that's fascism. Yeah. OK. Well you're a crazy lunatic. Why would you say we're going down a fascist road?

SOWELL: Only because we are.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: capitalism; foxnews; glennbeck; socialism; thomassowell

1 posted on 05/31/2009 1:25:38 PM PDT by Ooh-Ah
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To: Ooh-Ah

Awesome thanks guy!


2 posted on 05/31/2009 1:28:47 PM PDT by exist
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To: Ooh-Ah

Great! Obama skips the whole socialism thing and jumps straight into facism. I think I am gonna plant one across the jaw of my libtard neighbor across the street today.


3 posted on 05/31/2009 1:30:49 PM PDT by avacado
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To: Ooh-Ah

SOWELL: .... Now in this the case of this particular judge [Sotomeyer], I think her own actions are such that we don’t have to look to her friends to tell us what she is all about. I mean, the firefighters’ case in Connecticut was a classic.

BECK: Do you think that was racist? I said yesterday that I thought she was a racist and I got heat for it.

SOWELL: Well, the truth does that to people.

BECK: I love you.


4 posted on 05/31/2009 1:33:50 PM PDT by Beelzebubba (Typical "Rightwing Extremist")
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To: exist

“The American people will not knowingly adopt socialism, but under the name of liberalism, they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program until one day America will be a socialist nation without ever knowing how it happened.” - Norman Thomas, Socialist Leader, Sotomayor’s Intellectual Hero


5 posted on 05/31/2009 1:34:33 PM PDT by jessduntno (July 4th, 2009. Washington DC. Gadsden Flags. Be There.)
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To: Ooh-Ah

Over-regulation leading to government mandates for their outcomes. It’s time to restore private property, to strip the national government of its powers that enumerated by the Constitution (as outlined in Federalist Paper No. 45—which is 20 if anyone’s is counting), and to invoke home rule.


6 posted on 05/31/2009 1:36:06 PM PDT by BlackjackPershing (“The patriot's blood is the seed of Freedom's tree” - Thomas Campbell (Scottish poet))
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To: Ooh-Ah

The bigger question I have is “Are we still a Republic and do we have the guts to keep it that way?”


7 posted on 05/31/2009 1:38:44 PM PDT by RC2
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To: Ooh-Ah
BECK: I love you.

I don't trust Beck...i hope sowell doesnt either.


8 posted on 05/31/2009 1:41:15 PM PDT by SouthDixie (We are but angels with one wing, it takes two to fly.)
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To: Beelzebubba

Sotomayor IS for RACIAL PROFILING! Why don’t the liberals see their obvious hypocrisy?

Anyone who believes in Affirmative Action IS FOR RACIAL PROFILING!!!

This is the kind of soundbyte that will catch on. Pass it around!


9 posted on 05/31/2009 1:48:37 PM PDT by AlanGreenSpam (Obama: The First 'American IDOL' President - sponsored by Chicago NeoCom Thugs)
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To: exist

I love his characterization of Sotomayor;

“Racism Under New Management”.


10 posted on 05/31/2009 2:00:54 PM PDT by Outrance
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To: Ooh-Ah

I don’t know what to think of Beck. Sowell, as usual, is awesome. Can he be anything else? One thing we need to understand about the Fascism we are experiencing now, is that it is headed somewhere, and the final solution isn’t fascist partnerships. The Communist have decided to use Fascism as a means to reaching their end. 0 is a Marxist, through and through. Our Marxist oligarchy isn’t interested in working through private business to accomplish their goals. At least not for any longer than it is absolutely necessary. Sooner or later the fascist trappings will start to drop.


11 posted on 05/31/2009 2:02:20 PM PDT by pallis
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To: SouthDixie
I don't trust Beck...i hope sowell doesnt either.

Not sure what trust has to do with anything. I can argue for or against the merits of his arguments regardless of 'trust.'

I'll say this though. There is no one in the media who has done more to expose ACORN and the labyrinthe of corruption that is that organization than Beck. No one else seems all that interested.

12 posted on 05/31/2009 2:06:46 PM PDT by wolf24 ("Reality is putting The Onion out of business...")
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To: Ooh-Ah; exist; avacado; Beelzebubba; jessduntno; BlackjackPershing; AlanGreenSpam; RC2; ...

(please click this)

13 posted on 05/31/2009 2:07:17 PM PDT by FreeKeys ("Those who cannot be bothered with the facts may help destroy the best medical care in the world" TS)
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To: Ooh-Ah

Next term “Obamma-ramma, President for life.”


14 posted on 05/31/2009 2:11:44 PM PDT by JamesA (He who hesitates is lost.)
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To: Ooh-Ah

There isn’t a whole lot of difference between fascism and socialism except the name. The concept of private ownership is a sham when the government controls what you do with “your” property.


15 posted on 05/31/2009 2:15:49 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Ooh-Ah
Sowell is one of the wisest guys I know. I have most of his books. I greatly recommend "The Vision of the Anointed: Self-Congratulation as a Basis for Social Policy" Also great is Knowledge and Decisions
16 posted on 05/31/2009 2:24:25 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money -- Thatcher)
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To: Brilliant
The concept of private ownership is a sham when the government controls what you do with “your” property.

This is worth repeating. It really comes down to tyranny vs. liberty. Fascism...socialism....communism....are all just different labels for the same thing: tyranny.

17 posted on 05/31/2009 2:28:16 PM PDT by wolf24 ("Reality is putting The Onion out of business...")
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To: SouthDixie
Hey newbie. Why don't you trust Beck, exactly?

He's done an outstanding job of exposing ACORN.

As someone who's worked for the Census, I can tell you that the last thing we need is ACORN involved in any way with the Census.

18 posted on 05/31/2009 2:32:32 PM PDT by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: SouthDixie
BECK: I love you.

I don't trust Beck...i hope Sowell doesn't either.
_________________________________________________

If Glenns wife, Tanya needs consoling, I'll be the first to volunteer...LOL

19 posted on 05/31/2009 2:42:26 PM PDT by ThreePuttinDude (o)...Ayatollah of GlennBeckistan... keep it goin' brother...(o)
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To: Cyropaedia

I interpreted it as a touchy/feely/gay kinda thing

I might be wrong, I’m just sayin’


20 posted on 05/31/2009 2:44:26 PM PDT by ThreePuttinDude (o)...Ayatollah of GlennBeckistan... keep it goin' brother...(o)
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To: ThreePuttinDude

i rest my case...banging his wife might help...smh.


21 posted on 05/31/2009 2:47:44 PM PDT by SouthDixie (We are but angels with one wing, it takes two to fly.)
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To: SouthDixie
I don't trust Beck...i hope sowell doesnt either.

He may seem a bit shakey but he's been rock solid and, in fact, gaining and gaining in popularity in 5 years since I first became aware of him.

And I haven't seen nor heard his show in years.

22 posted on 05/31/2009 3:12:55 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (the machines are breaking.)
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To: SouthDixie
i rest my case......smh.

You are a gentleman and a scholar.

Not.

23 posted on 05/31/2009 3:14:25 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (the machines are breaking.)
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To: the invisib1e hand
He may seem a bit shakey but he's been rock solid

That in itself is contradictive...make your mind up.


24 posted on 05/31/2009 3:19:27 PM PDT by SouthDixie (We are but angels with one wing, it takes two to fly.)
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To: SouthDixie
That in itself is contradictive...make your mind up.

Hmm. You seem to be really agitated about Glenn Beck. Symptoms of homosexual panic?

25 posted on 05/31/2009 3:20:52 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (the machines are breaking.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

hmmm you seem a tad retarded, A: im not gay and B: i’m not a gentleman.


26 posted on 05/31/2009 3:23:40 PM PDT by SouthDixie (We are but angels with one wing, it takes two to fly.)
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To: Brilliant
There isn’t a whole lot of difference between fascism and socialism except the name.

Right, like there isn't much difference between Republican and Democrat. Democrats favor socialism. Republicans favor fascism, but they call it capitalism.

27 posted on 05/31/2009 3:27:28 PM PDT by Nephi (Like the failed promise of Fascism, masquerading as Capitalism? You're gonna love Marxism.)
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To: Ooh-Ah

Bump:


28 posted on 05/31/2009 3:35:21 PM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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"Not One of Us"
Thomas Sowell
Wednesday, February 25, 2009

If Barack Obama has been the most remarkable phenomenon of the recent political scene, Sarah Palin must be second. The emotional responses to each-- especially by the media and the intelligentsia -- go beyond anything that can be explained by the usual political differences of opinion on issues of the day.

That liberals would be thrilled by another liberal is not surprising. But there are conservative Republicans who voted for Barack Obama, and other conservatives who may not have voted for him, but who are quick to see in various pragmatic moves of his since taking office an indication that he is not an extremist.

Anyone familiar with history knows that Hitler and Stalin were pragmatic. After years of denouncing each other, they signed the Nazi-Soviet pact under which they became allies for a couple of years before going to war against one another.

Pragmatism tells you nothing about extremism. But the conservative intellectuals who seize upon President Obama's pragmatism to give him the benefit of the doubt are obviously bending over backward for some reason.

With Governor Palin, it is just the opposite. The conservative intelligentsia who react against her have remarkably little to say that will stand up to scrutiny. People who actually dealt with her, before she became a national figure, have expressed how much they were impressed by her intelligence.

Governor Palin's "inexperience" is a talking point that might have some plausibility if it were not for the fact that Barack Obama has far less experience in actually making policies than Sarah Palin has. Joe Biden has had decades of experience in being both consistently wrong and consistently a source of asinine statements.

Governor Palin's candidacy for the vice presidency was what galvanized grass roots Republicans in a way that John McCain never did. But there was something about her that turned even some conservative intellectuals against her and provoked visceral anger and hatred from liberal intellectuals.

Perhaps the best way to try to understand these reactions is to recall what Eleanor Roosevelt said when she first saw Whittaker Chambers, who had accused Alger Hiss of being a spy for the Soviet Union. Upon seeing the slouching, overweight and disheveled Chambers, she said, "He's not one of us."

The trim, erect and impeccably dressed Alger Hiss, with his Ivy League and New Deal pedigree, clearly was "one of us." As it turned out, he was also a liar and a spy for the Soviet Union. Not only did a jury decide that at the time, the opening of the secret files of the Soviet Union in its last days added more evidence of his guilt.

The Hiss-Chambers confrontation of more than half a century ago produced the same kind of visceral polarization that Governor Sarah Palin provokes today.

Before the first trial of Alger Hiss began, reporters who gathered at the courthouse informally sounded each other out as to which of them they believed, before any evidence had been presented. Most believed that Hiss was telling the truth and that it was Chambers who was lying.

More important, those reporters who believed that Chambers was telling the truth were immediately ostracized. None of this could have been based on the evidence for either side, for that evidence had not yet been presented in court.

For decades after Hiss was convicted and sent to federal prison, much of the media and the intelligentsia defended him. To this day, there is an Alger Hiss chair at Bard College.

Why did it matter so much to so many people which of two previously little-known men was telling the truth? Because what was on trial was not one man but a whole vision of the world and a way of life.

Governor Sarah Palin is both a challenge and an affront to that vision and that way of life-- an overdue challenge, much as Chambers' challenge was overdue.

Whether Governor Palin runs for national office again is something that only time will tell. But the Republicans need some candidate who is neither one of the country club Republicans nor-- worse yet-- the sort of person who appeals to the intelligentsia.

29 posted on 05/31/2009 3:42:30 PM PDT by jla
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To: Ooh-Ah
T.S. Rules!!!!

We're not a socialist country, because the socialists believe in government ownership in the means of production, but the fascists believe that the government should have private ownership and the politicians should tell people how to run the businesses. So that's the route we seem to be going.

Ouch .... Jessie aint got nothin left to cut!

30 posted on 05/31/2009 3:54:36 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (<P><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajsov1M4h50"> Thank You Satan 1:50</a>)
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To: Nephi
...Democrats favor socialism. Republicans favor fascism, but they call it capitalism.

Mussolini, a socialist, invented Fascism. He called it "The Third Way". Remember clinton's description of his 'philosophy' of governance in the 90's? That's the name he gave it; "The Third Way". Made what's left of my hair stand up then, and the course the present administration is taking is just fulfilling the promise. Fascism is a leftist way of thinking, don't let anyone try to tell you otherwise.

31 posted on 05/31/2009 4:02:25 PM PDT by Seven plus One
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To: Ooh-Ah

We’re splitting hairs with the socialism/fascism/communism thing - there is not much difference, except to leftists.

Do you really OWN something when the government can tell you exactly what to do with it? You’ll own the downside, that’s for certain.

All of these labels fall under the collectivism umbrella, where no one really owns anything and no one really lives for their own sake—they live for the mob’s agenda, or the pols agenda.

You’ll own something until the left needs/wants it and conjours up enough power to take it from you.

You’ll live and work for complete strangers—you are, at that point, a slave.

Freedom is binary. You are either free, or you aren’t. The rest is shades of slavery.


32 posted on 05/31/2009 4:14:24 PM PDT by Boucheau
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To: Ooh-Ah

Great get for Beck.


33 posted on 05/31/2009 4:35:12 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: SouthDixie

Why? What’s not to trust?


34 posted on 05/31/2009 4:39:28 PM PDT by keats5 (Not all of us are hypnotized.)
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To: jla
If Barack Obama has been the most remarkable phenomenon of the recent political scene, Sarah Palin must be second.

One chance in four, Sarah dies suddenly under suspicious circumstances within the next four years.

One chance in two, same thing with a conservative Supreme Court justice.

35 posted on 05/31/2009 4:58:32 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: SouthDixie

What is it, every now and then here comes some newby who has nothing better to do than stir trouble.

Is this really Slick in drag? Hillary’s calling, ya better run on back home now.


36 posted on 05/31/2009 8:05:00 PM PDT by dusttoyou (Remember the Alamo Tea Party - CHENEY-PALIN 2012)
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To: Seven plus One

I never said fascism is right wing. I said Republicans favor fascism. Republicans, especially neo-cons, confuse the issue by referring to the status quo as capitalism. When you have lobbyists in Washington buying policy through campaign donations you don’t have a “free market.” When W exited stage left saying, “I had to sacrifice free market principles to save the free market” that isn’t capitalism, that’s fascism. Don’t let anyone tell you otherwise.


37 posted on 05/31/2009 10:59:38 PM PDT by Nephi (Like the failed promise of Fascism, masquerading as Capitalism? You're gonna love Marxism.)
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To: Ooh-Ah
THOMAS SOWELL, a true American.

Glenn Beck, a true American.

38 posted on 05/31/2009 11:20:25 PM PDT by Dustbunny ("Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. " Ronald Reagan)
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To: dusttoyou
Okay, I wasn't going to respond but I feel I must...one observation I have made is some right wingers are just as wacky as some left wingers, they just beat to different drummers.
I claimed I didn't trust Beck because he is a TV personality and I don't give many 'actors' credit. I didn't like Rush either until I eventually listened to him, perhaps my views with Beck will change as well.
I did do some research on him this morning and reading his mom and brother commited suicide, I felt compassion for the man. I also read he claims to be 'conservative'. So, he can't be all bad. ( perhaps I should have did my research before I made a hasty comment.
As per the first amendment, you have the right to say whatever you want, I may not agree with what you have to say but I sure wouldn't attack you for what you had to say.
As for being a newbee, yes, guilty as charged, but, I assure you, my motive is to learn and become more educated certainly NOT to stir any pot.

39 posted on 06/01/2009 5:02:53 AM PDT by SouthDixie (We are but angels with one wing, it takes two to fly.)
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To: SouthDixie
Welcome to FR.

Some subjects have been so infiltrated by lib trolls, you will find that uninformed off the cuff comments will generate maximum flames.

Having been a longtime listener of Glenn Beck, yep he can sometimes come across as off the wall, but I take this as sheer enthusiasm and having a subject get under his conservative skin. If Glenn Beck is not a true-blue conservative, then he is surely the best actor we have seen.

Beck has a very good record of exposing crazy lib efforts and programs that do endanger our freedom and America.

40 posted on 06/01/2009 8:37:04 AM PDT by dusttoyou (Remember the Alamo Tea Party - CHENEY-PALIN 2012)
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To: Nephi
When you have lobbyists in Washington buying policy through campaign donations you don’t have a “free market.”

Hard to argue against the point you made here. I also noted that you were clearly referring to Republicans and not conservatives. No question that the progressives in the GOP ranks are for policies that can be categorized as fascist.

41 posted on 06/01/2009 9:46:43 AM PDT by wolf24 ("Reality is putting The Onion out of business...")
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To: SouthDixie

Thanks for coming back and answering the criticism you received for your comment.

As someone who has listened to Beck on the radio off and on for the last 3 years (I don’t watch his TV show) — regardless of what you think of Beck’s histrionics and emotionalism at times — I think it would be hard to argue that he is not “trustworthy” (i.e., he doesn’t believe what he says; he’s a closet liberal; etc.).


42 posted on 06/01/2009 9:50:19 AM PDT by wolf24 ("Reality is putting The Onion out of business...")
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To: wolf24

We’ve got our work cut out for us because guys like Rush and Sean have completely mistaken corporatism for capitalism.


43 posted on 06/01/2009 7:22:18 PM PDT by Nephi (Like the failed promise of Fascism, masquerading as Capitalism? You're gonna love Marxism.)
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