Posted on 06/02/2009 7:25:36 AM PDT by meandog
You said — Moral of the story - a minister should conduct himself in a manner that prevents even the perception of impropriety.
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Agreed, and also to avoid those false charges, as you brought up, in your post.
oh, uh huh.
She should have gone to prison for this.
Actually, it may be OMM, that this "minister" has more in common with Mormonism than Protestantism. What you forget, OMM, is that military chaplains cover a broad range of faiths. This one was Pentecostal.
A good chunk of the Pentecostal movement is represented or is an offshot from the United Pentecostal Church (please note: not all "pentecostals" are part of the UPC). The UPC, like early Mormonism, teaches the ancient heresy of modalism...thereby placing both the UPC and LDS together in the heretical cult camp.
Example of modalism: Many Book of Mormon & Doctrine & Covenants passages have the Mormon jesus saying he is the Father.
According to a review of a book, Brent Metcalfe, Ed., New Approaches to the Book of Mormon: Explorations in Critical Methodology. Salt Lake City: Signature Books, 1993, another book is referenced:
In "Book of Mormon Christology," Melodie Moench Charles considers a puzzling question: If Jesus and the Father are separate Gods, as the LDS church now teaches, why does the Book of Mormon repeatedly present them as one and the same person? For instance, in Alma 11:38-39 we read: "Now Zeezrom saith again unto him: Is the Son of God the very Eternal Father? And Amulek said unto him: Yea, he is the very Eternal Father of heaven and of earth." Or consider Mosiah 15:1-4:
And now Abinadi said unto them: I would that ye should understand that God himself shall come down among the children of men, and shall redeem his people. And because he dwelleth in flesh he shall be called the Son of God, and having subjected the flesh to the will of the Father, being the Father and the Son — The Father, because he was conceived by the power of God; and the Son, because of the flesh; thus becoming the Father and Son — And they are one God, yea, the very Eternal Father of heaven and of earth (see also Mormon 9:11-12; Mosiah 16:15; Helaman 14:12; 16:18).
"Modalism" is the best description of this early Mormon view of God, according to Charles. Christ and the Father were not considered separate beings, but simply different "modes" in which the one God reveals himself (New Approaches, pp. 100, 110). This fits with Joseph's original First Vision story, in which he claimed to see only one divine personage (New Approaches, pp. 103ff). However, five years after the publication of the Book of Mormon, Joseph began teaching in the Lectures on Faith (1835) that the Father and Son — but not the Holy Ghost — were distinct beings. Then, his teaching changed yet again in 1842 with the publication of chapters 4-5 of the Book of Abraham, which introduced the full-fledged plurality of Gods doctrine.
http://www.irr.org/mit/new-approaches-br.html
So, OMM, I guess if I was really interested in making some "point," I could expect an answer from you to this Q: if this "minister" was a modalist, why is there a pattern of such poor treatment of women among modalists? (Smith wedded 11 wives of other men).
But that's OK. (I don't expect you to answer for all the modalists of the world)
You don’t think playing with women is better than playing with little boys or girls????
Laying on hands...you’re doing it wrong.
She was charged, I believe with making false statements, but I am unaware of the final disposition. (Sorry I left that out.)
1. Mormons aren’t and never have been modalists. Modalists believe in one God who can manifest himself in three different ways. Mormons believe in three personages who are “one” in the sense that they perfectly united in purpose and understanding, as Jesus describes in John 17.
2. I, therefore, have no personal stake in defending modalism, but your theory that somehow modalism leads to poor treatment of women is completely ridiculous.
3. As a Mormon woman, I can say that Mormon women are not treated poorly. In fact, that presumption is also ridiculous. Although there are certainly individual personalities within Mormonism, and men who are jerks, I would guess that, on the whole, Mormon women are treated better than non-Mormon women. I often reflect upon how lucky I am to have spent my life surrounded by good men, who believe in a single standard of morality, who value marriage and family, and who are trying their best to live the gospel. I look around my neighborhood and see a huge majority of women in the same situation. Since I was a little girl, I’ve heard the aphorism, “A good man is hard to find.” - - - Not in my neighborhood.
Ping for later
I think using your position to take advantage of people or rape people is wrong regardless of the age or gender of the victim.
Carl Vinson, admitted last week to multiple affairs with young enlisted women,one of the women finds out about it and yells rape guess what happens!
There are wolves in every camp...
something you would not understand..
you should read some good books about anger hate and contempt it is very self destructing and erosion in the soul.
So instead of getting closer to the Lord one moves away from their creator.
But those who want to consume their hours in hating Joseph Smith their life will come to naught.
Priest’s abusive behavior was, in fact, the result of their defying church teachings. Now there are safeguards in the Church - so exemplary - it’s been copied by others. I would like to know what safe-guards other organizations such as Protestant Church’s, Synagogues, Schools, etc., have done to protect the innocent?
Bottomline - it’s a societal problem and the MSM did none of us any favors by bashing just one organization. But they had a salivatingly good time doing it - as do others in an attempt to shut others out of a conversation such as this one. Next we’ll see the Crusades, Inquisition, or Indulgences pop up somewhere.
Perhaps because he is a PAID protester claplain. Or rather, he WAS. And he IS a CONVICTED rapist. Not accused, convicted.
The guy is the real deal and I am nominating him for Tailhook. (After he gets out.)
What part of this guys THEOLOGY is wrong??
What part of this guys THEOLOGY is wrong??
was this consensual sex? with adult women? he may be a lousy cheatin’ creepoid, but ten years?
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