Bomb Threat on Air France Flight

Momento 24 ^ | May 27, 2009

[brytlea]

The airport safety delayed an Air France flight this evening before departring for Paris immediately after the company received a bomb threat over the phone at the airport of Ezeiza.

[yield 2 the right]

Thanks....

[joesoapbox]

most aeronautical people have commented that weather factors are highly unlikely to have caused this tragedy. the most questionable aspect of all this, is how Air France states that they received a number (some say upto 12) electronic fault alarms, yet the highly experienced crew failed to send any Mayday call or atleast -radio in any concerns to corroborate fault alarms, that we are to believe were so serious that they preceded/indicated looming disaster.so with regards to the failure of terror groups to claim any credit...I suggest a study of the planning, aims and players involved in the Bojinka Operation.

[SteamShovel]

if it were nothing short of catastrophic, it would have been a ditch scenario - in which case the pilot/copilot would have certainly sent a mayday

Yes.....

.....either the pilot(s) had no time or there was no way to send a distress signal because the radio was dead.

[brytlea]

It’s too bad, but I fear that’s correct.

[ALASKA]

My point exactly! But, of course, the cabin of Flt 800 ascended after blowing up according to the CIA.........planes must just blow up funny over water......

[ErnstStavroBlofeld]

All

Air France jet likely broke apart above ocean
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090603/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/brazil_plane

[MHGinTN]

I'm sure the CIA or French equivalent will make a video for those in doubt as to this ‘official’ explanation. Don't you agree, n00b?

[ErnstStavroBlofeld]

If you are into conspiracy theories. Lets stay to the facts.

[MHGinTN]

Lets first agree that the government mani[pulates what are called 'the facts' to suit the perspective they wish to convey. You seem all too ready to swallow their koolaid, n00b. Until black boxes are accessed you have no more 'facts' than anyone else.

Have you figured out the storm patterns for the hurricane season yet in the Northern Hemisphere?

[ErnstStavroBlofeld]

Lets stick to the facts before we enter the Twilight Zone

[ErnstStavroBlofeld]

Have you figured out the storm patterns for the hurricane season yet in the Northern Hemisphere?
It sounds like a good project. Thanks for recommending it. it seems to be rather interesting

[ErnstStavroBlofeld]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090603/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/brazil_plane

[MHGinTN]

Your agenda is showing, n00b. And I had already read the linked article. Whom do you work for that you feel the necessity to incessantly push this single theory/'official explanation'? You show up at FR immediately after this event occurs, pushing the 'official explanation' above all other possibilities, even before an official statement was released. Whom do you work for, n00b?

[ErnstStavroBlofeld]

I work for no one. Remember, you are the one who accusing me of things without a shred of evidence. It sounds to me who starting a fight.

[ErnstStavroBlofeld]

The Air India Flight 182 was blown up in 1985 off of Ireland.The vessel Guardline Locator from the UK, with sophisticated sonar equipment aboard, and the French cable laying vessel the Léon Thévenin, with its robot submarine Scarab, were dispatched to locate the flight data recorder (FDR) and cockpit voice recorder (CVR) boxes. The boxes would be difficult to find and it was imperative the search was commenced quick By July 4, the Guardline Locator equipment had detected signals on the sea bed and on July 9 the CVR was pin-pointed and raised to the surface by the Scarab. The next day the FDR was located and recovered in very deep water

[ErnstStavroBlofeld]

Plus I only started here only a week ago.

[1951Boomer]

That’s exactly right. If it’s in their interest to claim responsibility, they will. If it’s not, they won’t. Simple as that.

Per the bomb theory, I’m having trouble reconciling the called-in bomb threat with no evicence of a group claiming responsibility. In other words, I’m wondering why a terrorist group would call in a threat—which would tip their hand—yet not brag about bringing the AF plane down.

[WhistlingPastTheGraveyard]

I’m wondering why a terrorist group would call in a threat—which would tip their hand—yet not brag about bringing the AF plane down.

The threat was made in Argentina. The downed flight was out of Brazil. The call-in threat could have been a diversion attempt for all we know.

We get ourselves into trouble when we put too much stock in our own ability to think like crazed islamists. I still have trouble reconciling Mohammed Salameh trying to get his deposit back on the Ryder truck he used to blow up the World Trade Center parking garage in 1993... but he did it. It made no sense whatsoever, but he did it.

I don't know why some jihadist would pick up the phone and threaten an Argentine Air France flight two days before he planned on blowing up a Brazilian Air France flight. But I'm not going to dismiss the possibility that he did it just because I can't figure out why.

And I don't get into the claiming responsibility stuff. That's never a consideration for me. Claims can surface days, weeks, months or years after an attack. Sometimes they never come. Sometimes they're not reported right away, sometimes they're not discovered for a while. There is no reliable pattern with these sorts of claims. And there are situations where it's in their interest to make no claim at all (9/11 and the ensuing anthrax attacks being the most obvious examples).

I find the timing of the incident just as compelling a clue as the bomb threat. It's Islam Week. Al Qaeda's shooting its mouth off again. OBL's back with another volume in his Lectures From the Fires of Hell series. Obama is giving an historic speech in the homeland of Ayman al-Zawahiri. There's badness in the air.

[MHGinTN]

It is very possible that someone in the circle of ‘friends’ of terrorists bombers who found out about a plane bombing being planned mistakenly thought it would be from an Argentine airport (the terrorists may actually have been residing in Argentina or wanted to set a trap for someone they suspected who then ratted the plan but was mistaken) and called to report the threat. But it could also serve as a means to screen security prior to the actual planned targeting. Who knows at this stage? We have at least one n00b working hard to push the ‘plane downed by bad weather’ official statement in order to accomplish what?

[VaBthang4]

The last messages:

23 h: Pilot of flight AF 447 manually sends a message explaining that the aircraft is crossing a zone of turbulence. “CB” - black, electrically charged cumulonimbus clouds containing violent winds and lightning. Satellite data shows possible 100 mph updraft winds.

23h10: An automated message said the auto-pilot had disengaged and there was a fault in one of the computers flying the plane. From 0211 to 0213, faults with the Air Data Inertial Reference Unit (ADIRU:Provides altitude and direction) and the Integrated Standby Instruments System and (ISIS: shows vertical speed and altitude) were signaling a flurry of messages. Then, a system that provides the instrument readings, the Prim 1: Aircraft’s Mainframe Computer, reported a fault.

23h14: Last warning. “Cabin Vertical Speed”. Indicating cabin pressure loss and outside air inside the cabin.

Raw speculation here...but speculation based on some of the preliminary evidence (the electronic feedback from this particular flight and the two previous incidences with this particular airframe).

http://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/...008/AAIR/pdf/AO2008070_interim.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0UBT/is_2_23/ai_n31189475/

The Aircraft type A330 has had two other serious onboard telemetry errors causing the airframe to lose and gain altitude rapidly (one that injured many passengers). If this same error occurred a third time, at night and in the midst of a storm providing serious turbulence, the possibility of straight up over-stressing of the airframe/control surfaces...or...pilot error leading to an over-stressing of the airframe/control surfaces and a perpetual catastrophic breakup....is very real.

There is NOTHING at this point to indicate terrorism and I have a hard time believing that this flight, this airframe at this altitude failed as a result of weather, or lightning etc, etc.

This airframe has real problems with its onboard computers (or updates). I think that once airbus (or the manufacturer) realized the problem, they provided a half-assed directive to remedy it and now there is a very real possibility that this problem (coupled with some very severe weather) has led to a third mishap and possibly to the loss of an entire flight/crew/passengers.