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1 posted on 06/07/2009 11:29:07 AM PDT by September
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To: September

Wow, I had never thought of it in terms like that. Perhaps I should.


2 posted on 06/07/2009 11:32:26 AM PDT by FreeSouthernAmerican (All we ask is to be let alone----Jefferson Davis)
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Why do these two scenarios evoke such different responses from people if children are being killed by a doctor in both cases?

Becasue we have laws or we have anarchy. Then you might not like who the other guy decides needs killing.

3 posted on 06/07/2009 11:33:41 AM PDT by Hugin (GSA! (Goodbye sweet America))
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In order to get significant restrictions on abortion again (which would almost certainly need a constitutional amendment) an amnesty would be a virtual political necessity, and the new law would have to go very easy on the mothers.


4 posted on 06/07/2009 11:34:01 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (In only 19 weeks, 0 has enabled us to agree with the Taliban [his empty speechifying] - Iron Munro)
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Yeah, another person attempting to justify murder.


5 posted on 06/07/2009 11:34:02 AM PDT by GoldStandard
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Welcome to FR.


6 posted on 06/07/2009 11:36:41 AM PDT by Borges
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Thank you Judy Pollock.


7 posted on 06/07/2009 11:38:37 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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Being a Christian, forgiving sort of guy, I might be willing to forgive both Tiller and Roeder 1 (one) murder each. That still leaves Tiller 49,999 short it seems to me...

BTW - my forgiveness means squat. God will deal with both of them I’m sure.


9 posted on 06/07/2009 11:39:41 AM PDT by babygene
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It’s because the pro-life movement is no different, fundamentally, from the pro-choice movement; it believes a woman has a right to choose. We can persuade a woman not to make that choice, we can console and help her with healing after she’s made that choice, but we can’t obstruct her from making that choice. That’s her “right” and it’s protected by law. If that weren’t true, and pro-lifers really believed their own rhetoric, they would be blockading every abortion clinic in the country.


16 posted on 06/07/2009 11:44:44 AM PDT by mike182d ("Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?")
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Well said! I discovered during this “episode” that I am anti-abortion, not pro-life.


17 posted on 06/07/2009 11:46:10 AM PDT by upsdriver
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If a doctor went mad and began a murderous rampage killing infants in a hospital maternity ward and a good citizen stopped him with deadly force would people condemn that concerned citizen as a murderer and call his actions a senseless act of violence?

Absolutley. Those people are called "liberal Democrats."

18 posted on 06/07/2009 11:49:51 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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I would never murder anyone, but I cannot say I am not glad to see Tiller the Killer dead.

What goes around comes around.

He killed thousands and lived high on the hog because of a pile of human fetus’s left in his wake.


19 posted on 06/07/2009 11:52:07 AM PDT by Venturer
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Sorry, Judy, it’s a little thing called the law. Currently his act constitutes at most vigilantism, but it doesn’t rise to outright justifiable homicide.

In the eyes of God, maybe, right now, the law interprets his act as illegal.


20 posted on 06/07/2009 11:52:56 AM PDT by prismsinc (A.K.A. "The Terminator"!)
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Tiller wasn't killed for having committed abortions in the past, he was killed because he was unrepentant and had every intention of continuing. That changes the dynamic of the discussion because it's not about "justice" for past crimes, it's about saving the lives of people in danger of being killed. Yes, God is the only judge of our past sins, but if you see the life of one human being threatened by another, it can be argued that there's justification for acting in the victim's defense.

I'm not saying Tiller's killing was a good thing or justified; I'm just saying it raises questions the pro-life movement refuses to address. If their rhetoric is taken to it's logical conclusion, it could be argued that Tiller's killing was justified.

If the pro-life movement doesn't agree, it needs to tone down it's rhetoric and reformulate its argument.
24 posted on 06/07/2009 11:55:38 AM PDT by mike182d ("Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?")
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I think people also forget that Americans believe in a higher law greater than man. The revolution was “illegal” too, but that didn’t make our Founding Fathers any less “civilized.”


27 posted on 06/07/2009 11:57:30 AM PDT by mike182d ("Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?")
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Tiller stayed in business because he had an abundance of Liberals who were willing to seek him out and pay for his services. In certain ways, he was like a prostitute. He was an opportunist with no moral boundaries that was willing to get rich on the money of Liberals.

There will always be people like Tiller in society as long as there are a customer base willing to pay the price for the service. Our opinions do not count.


28 posted on 06/07/2009 11:57:39 AM PDT by Concho ( No Birth Certificate-No Census!)
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We are a nation of laws and we must work within the system, even if it takes a hundred years to change a bad law. We should never, never ever ever resort to taking a life.

We should remember the words from the bible, “The meek shall inherit the earth.” and we should be meek like the Christians who quietly prayed while they were eaten by lions in the Colosseum, or meek like Dr. Martin Luther King and the marchers of the civil rights movement.

Taking the law into one’s own hands accomplishes nothing. It doesn’t help your cause. It only gives the pro-abortion crowd ammunition to use against you. Like they have been using this abortion dr.s murder.


29 posted on 06/07/2009 11:59:08 AM PDT by GloriaJane (http://www.last.fm/music/Gloria+Jane/_/World+Peace?autostart)
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Roeder will get get one form of justice and Tiller got another....both justice, but different. One murderer murdering another murderer*....satisfyingly symmetrical.

*Yes, I know all the tut-tutters will say that what Tiller did isn't technically murder, but they'll have to try that argument on somebody else. I'm not listening.

34 posted on 06/07/2009 12:02:30 PM PDT by clintonh8r (Joe Biden in '09!!)
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There is a great gap between the rule of law and the rule of “right”.

I have pondered the same question. If one was to stop with lethal force if required, a person from harming a baby, it would be “right” and probably lawful. On the other hand, Dr. Tiller “performing medical procedures” (killing unborn humans at the mothers/parents request)is not right, but it is lawful.

Killing Tiller because he performs abortions (murder if you will) is not legal. Is it “right” based on the first scenario?

The guy who decided to stop Tiller had to make that choice on his own, and live with consequences of an “unlawful” act.

The unborn are the only ones w/o a personal voice or choice. What would they be saying if we could ask them?

Seems we have fallen under the rule of man, rather than the rule of law.

God Help us.


38 posted on 06/07/2009 12:09:00 PM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret) "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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There’s a big difference between a doctor who went “mad” and started killing and Mr Tiller.Sudden “madness” can,I believe,be biological in nature and,thus,be witnessed with sadness rather than anger or contempt.Mr Tiller,OTOH,wasn’t “mad”.He was simply a psychopath,utterly devoid of conscience.A lot like Mao...Stalin...Pol Pot...Hitler.I do not shed a single tear at the passing of Mr Tiller.I only regret that it was a bullet,rather than a lightening bolt,a flesh eating bacteria,or a particularly ugly and painful form of cancer,that did him in.


41 posted on 06/07/2009 12:14:58 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Christian+Veteran=Terrorist)
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My thought was that it was a good trade, giving up ones life to stop that man from continuing to murder babies. If I were on the jury, and was an honest judge, I would have to say “guilty” if he was the triggerman. But at the same time, I would stand and salute him to the hangman’s rope. That man needed killing.


48 posted on 06/07/2009 12:19:37 PM PDT by Dogbert41
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