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The recession tracks the Great Depression
Financial Times ^ | 6/16/09

Posted on 06/17/2009 7:19:31 PM PDT by FromLori

Green shoots are bursting out. Or so we are told. But before concluding that the recession will soon be over, we must ask what history tells us. It is one of the guides we have to our present predicament. Fortunately, we do have the data. Unfortunately, the story they tell is an unhappy one.

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Two economic historians, Barry Eichengreen of the University of California at Berkeley and Kevin O’Rourke of Trinity College, Dublin, have provided pictures worth more than a thousand words (see charts).* In their paper, Profs Eichengreen and O’Rourke date the beginning of the current global recession to April 2008 and that of the Great Depression to June 1929. So what are their conclusions on where we are a little over a year into the recession? The bad news is that this recession fully matches the early part of the Great Depression. The good news is that the worst can still be averted.

First, global industrial output tracks the decline in industrial output during the Great Depression horrifyingly closely. Within Europe, the decline in the industrial output of France and Italy has been worse than at this point in the 1930s, while that of the UK and Germany is much the same. The declines in the US and Canada are also close to those in the 1930s. But Japan’s industrial collapse has been far worse than in the 1930s, despite a very recent recovery.

Second, the collapse in the volume of world trade has been far worse than during the first year of the Great Depression. Indeed, the decline in world trade in the first year is equal to that in the first two years of the Great Depression. This is not because of protection, but because of collapsing demand for manufactures.

Third, despite the recent bounce, the decline in world stock markets is far bigger than in the corresponding period of the Great Depression.

The two authors sum up starkly: “Globally we are tracking or doing even worse than the Great Depression ... This is a Depression-sized event.”

Yet what gave the Great Depression its name was a brutal decline over three years. This time the world is applying the lessons taken from that event by John Maynard Keynes and Milton Friedman, the two most influential economists of the 20th century. The policy response suggests that the disaster will not be repeated.

Profs Eichengreen and O’Rourke describe this contrast. During the Great Depression, the weighted average discount rate of the seven leading economies never fell below 3 per cent. Today it is close to zero. Even the European Central Bank, most hawkish of the big central banks, has lowered its rate to 1 per cent. Again, during the Great Depression, money supply collapsed. But this time it has continued to rise. Indeed, the combination of strong monetary growth with deep recession raises doubts about the monetarist explanation for the Great Depression. Finally, fiscal policy has been far more aggressive this time. In the early 1930s the weighted average deficit for 24 significant countries remained smaller than 4 per cent of gross domestic product. Today, fiscal deficits will be far higher. In the US, the general government deficit is expected to be almost 14 per cent of GDP.

All this is consistent with the conclusions of an already classic paper by Carmen Reinhart of the university of Maryland and Kenneth Rogoff of Harvard.** Financial crises cause deep economic crises. The impact of a global financial crisis should be particularly severe. Moreover, “the real value of government debt tends to explode, rising an average of 86 per cent in the major post–World War II episodes”. The chief reason is not the “bail-outs” of banks but the recessions. After the fact, runaway private lending turns into public spending and mountains of debt. Creditworthy governments will not accept the alternative of a big slump.

The question is whether today’s unprecedented stimulus will offset the effect of financial collapse and unprecedented accumulations of private sector debt in the US and elsewhere. If the former wins, we will soon see a positive deviation from the path of the Great Depression. If the latter wins, we will not. What everybody hopes is clear. But what should we expect?

We are seeing a race between the repair of private balance sheets and global rebalancing of demand, on the one hand, and the sustainability of stimulus, on the other.

CHART AT SITE

Robust private sector demand will return only once the balance sheets of over-indebted households, overborrowed businesses and undercapitalised financial sectors are repaired or when countries with high savings rates consume or invest more. None of this is likely to be quick. Indeed, it is far more likely to take years, given the extraordinary debt accumulations of the past decade. Over the past two quarters, for example, US households repaid just 3.1 per cent of their debt. Deleveraging is a lengthy process. Meanwhile, the federal government has become the only significant borrower. Similarly, the Chinese government can swiftly expand investment. But it is harder for policy to raise levels of consumption.

The great likelihood is that the world economy will need aggressive monetary and fiscal policies far longer than many believe. That is going to be make policymakers – and investors – nervous.

Two opposing dangers arise. One is that the stimulus is withdrawn too soon, as happened in the 1930s and in Japan in the late 1990s. There will then be a relapse into recession, because the private sector is still unable, or unwilling, to spend. The other danger is that stimulus is withdrawn too late. That would lead to a loss of confidence in monetary stability worsened by concerns over the sustainability of public debt, particularly in the US, the provider of the world’s key currency. At the limit, soaring dollar prices of commodities and rising long-term interest rates on government bonds might put the US – and world economies – into a malign stagflation. Contrary to some alarmists, I see no signs of such a panic today. But it might happen.

Last year the world economy tipped over into a slump. The policy response has been massive. But those sure we are at the beginning of a robust private sector-led recovery are almost certainly deluded. The race to full recovery is likely to be long, hard and uncertain.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government
KEYWORDS: applesonly5cents; breadlines; depression; despair; doom; dustbowl; economy; grapesofwrath; greatdepression; recession; soupkitchens; thecomingdepression
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1 posted on 06/17/2009 7:19:32 PM PDT by FromLori
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2 posted on 06/17/2009 7:34:27 PM PDT by Islander7 (If you want to anger conservatives, lie to them. If you want to anger liberals, tell them the truth.)
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To: FromLori
My Favorite Chart:

Four Worst Bear Markets
3 posted on 06/17/2009 7:42:35 PM PDT by microgood
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To: Islander7

The Great Depression Ahead:

http://www.amazon.com/Great-Depression-Ahead-Following-Greatest/dp/B0017SWQKQ/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1245292930&sr=8-3


4 posted on 06/17/2009 7:43:00 PM PDT by Signalman
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To: FromLori
But those sure we are at the beginning of a robust private sector-led recovery are almost certainly deluded. The race to full recovery is likely to be long, hard and uncertain.

It could be years. This is so depressing.

5 posted on 06/17/2009 7:49:08 PM PDT by GOPJ (MSM NEVER covered flu deaths like this - is the flu killing members of liberal victim groups?)
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To: FromLori; microgood; Bobkk47

Interesting. Thanks for the links.


6 posted on 06/17/2009 7:49:55 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: Islander7

Thank you one day I will get it right and be able to post them “hopefully”.


7 posted on 06/17/2009 7:51:50 PM PDT by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: FromLori
We are seeing a race between the repair of private balance sheets and global rebalancing of demand, on the one hand, and the sustainability of stimulus, on the other

That's whats so frustrating. My household and many of my friends and family are doing the right thing by deleveraging our personal debt as fast as we can, while Dear Leader is spending and printing money he doesn't have so fast to prop up bad debt that it seems like the one step forward two steps back economy.

8 posted on 06/17/2009 7:54:44 PM PDT by Kudsman (A lifetime of public service = a lifetime of getting serviced by the public.- Mark Steyn)
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To: FromLori

The authors apparently take 0bama’s bad joke of a ‘stimulus’ package seriously. That is very depressing.


9 posted on 06/17/2009 7:55:55 PM PDT by Post Toasties (Conservatives allow the guilty to be executed but Lefties insist that the innocent be executed.)
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To: FromLori

If we are lucky - we will have the Japanese version of the “lost decade”


10 posted on 06/17/2009 7:56:13 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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In 1920-21, industrial production fell 33% in 18 months. That’s actually a steeper decline than the first 18 nonths of 1929-32.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb5814/is_n3_v29/ai_n28604039/


11 posted on 06/17/2009 7:59:07 PM PDT by Reverend Wright ("Bankruptcy is not a sign of weakness." B. H. Obama, May 2, 2009.)
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To: microgood

OUCH


12 posted on 06/17/2009 8:02:32 PM PDT by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: FromLori

Maybe the Mayan calendar is right...


13 posted on 06/17/2009 8:04:59 PM PDT by No!
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To: FromLori
Green shoots are bursting out.

How many different spin slogans does that make now. Tell them someone sprayed their green shoots with round up and green ink from the Fed's money presses..

14 posted on 06/17/2009 8:07:28 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: FromLori

A large part of my work involves dealing with small businesses. These are businesses that aren’t traded on a stock market, don’t have DC pols at their beck and call, and rarely make the news, but that also drive most of our economy.

The bad news: They’re dying in droves. Seas and messes of them. It’s BAD. And zero’s policies - or rather the justified fear of his stupid policies such as cap-and-tax, “pro-labor” (actually anit-business) policies, and expected big increases in taxation to pay for zero-care (these guys often fall into the “eeevvviiiillllll rich” category, but just on paper) - are pushing many of them right over the cliff.

People, we are in for a MUCH rougher ride than the idiotic press and “experts” could even dream...


15 posted on 06/17/2009 8:07:50 PM PDT by piytar (Take back the language: Obama axing Chrystler dealers based on political donations is REAL fascism!)
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To: No!

2012 could be


16 posted on 06/17/2009 8:13:16 PM PDT by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: FromLori

Get on with the depression, it’s the only thing that can clean up the credit disaster!

Wipe out those living on credit and those that gave it to them!


17 posted on 06/17/2009 8:17:06 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: piytar

Business’s started cancelling building projects I would say it was about six months before the election when it was looking like he would get in I know because my husbands firm had cancellations and projects put on hold that later cancellled and in his 36 years we have never seen commercial construction this bad.

Prepare for a depression!


18 posted on 06/17/2009 8:17:29 PM PDT by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: piytar

My experience is the same. Small businesses are dying out here, much worse than what is being shown in the media.


19 posted on 06/17/2009 8:28:32 PM PDT by Fu-fu2
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To: FromLori

So...we’re due for 25% unemployment instead of worthless currency?


20 posted on 06/17/2009 9:05:21 PM PDT by dr_who
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