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Woman Scarred by Scalding Shower Awarded $750,000 in Settlement
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Posted on 07/05/2009 9:59:53 PM PDT by Chet 99

MOBILE, Ala. — A woman who suffered third-degree burns after stepping into a shower of 136-degree water has been awarded $750,000 in a settlement of a lawsuit against the apartment manager.

The Mobile County court award to 25-year-old Treon Moorer, in late June, followed mediation with JRS Management Inc. of Florida. The company's lawyer, Larry Matthews of Pensacola, declined comment.

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He said Moorer was "horribly scarred" from the neck down. Taylor says the water heater industry and burn doctors recommend a setting of 120 degrees.

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1 posted on 07/05/2009 9:59:54 PM PDT by Chet 99
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I guess you don’t have to feel with your hand how hot the water is before stepping in?


2 posted on 07/05/2009 10:00:37 PM PDT by Chet 99
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To: Chet 99

I am speechless. If she is too stupid to check the temp before stepping in, just think of the chaos she will wreak with $750000...JFK


3 posted on 07/05/2009 10:01:50 PM PDT by BADROTOFINGER (Life sucks. Get a helmet.)
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To: Chet 99

4 posted on 07/05/2009 10:04:06 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: Chet 99

This is proof that the modern legal system is more than a check on the power and “greed” of the free market. Sometimes companies get crushed by lawsuits.


5 posted on 07/05/2009 10:05:17 PM PDT by TheThinker (America doesn't have a president. It has a usurper.)
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To: Chet 99
The reason that minors and some adults are NEVER allowed in my house.

My water heater is set just low enough to not pop off the (recently calibrated) pressure relief valve.

When I want hot water, I want HOT water.

And I have problems believing that anyone could get serious burns from 136F water. A) it's not that hot, I can hold 325F pans in my hand for about 2 seconds without burns. 2) Get out, if it's too hot.

I'm thinking someone may have been drinking.

/johnny

6 posted on 07/05/2009 10:07:04 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (God Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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To: Chet 99

Apparently she never heard of the temperature sensing device called a “toe.”


7 posted on 07/05/2009 10:11:12 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Crazy is the new sane.)
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To: Chet 99
She could of gotten $2,000,000. No coffee stains on her pants reduced the judgment.
8 posted on 07/05/2009 10:12:23 PM PDT by dancusa (The word "racist" is a magic shield word that's supposed to stop any dissent.)
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To: Chet 99

If you can’t stand the heat, stay out of the shower. Duh.


9 posted on 07/05/2009 10:12:46 PM PDT by TXBlair (White-knuckling my way through the next three and a half years.)
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To: Chet 99

Pfft. Chump change. She should have bought some hot coffee at McDonald’s.


10 posted on 07/05/2009 10:15:19 PM PDT by TheWasteLand
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To: Chet 99

Someone I knew sat in on an operation in which a man who had been horribly burned in a shower received skin grafts. But in that case the man had slipped and been knocked unconscious so that he could not react as the overly hot water poured on him.


11 posted on 07/05/2009 10:16:31 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: Chet 99

If I couldn’t get more than 130 degrees in a shower i’d replace the water heater!

That’s just luke warm!

I have mine set at 180 and by the time I get through with a shower I have the cold turned off!


12 posted on 07/05/2009 10:16:57 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: JRandomFreeper

> And I have problems believing that anyone could get serious burns from 136F water. A) it’s not that hot, I can hold 325F pans in my hand for about 2 seconds without burns. 2) Get out, if it’s too hot.

Funny thing, I was thinking the same for a moment there. 135 degrees Fahrenheit is a warm day in the Australian Outback: bloody unpleasantly warm, but not going to sear you to death quickly. It isn’t nearly approaching boiling point of water (212F).

On the other hand, 136 degrees Centigrade water is well past boiling point (100C) and is more than hot enough to scald.

So, checking the story again I note that they do not specify whether the temperature is in Fahrenheit or Centigrade. Not overly helpful!


13 posted on 07/05/2009 10:17:20 PM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: Chet 99

Who doesn’t feel the water temp and adjust it before stepping in?? As Bugs would say, whadda maroon!


14 posted on 07/05/2009 10:19:37 PM PDT by Shelayne (Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lord God Almighty that was, and is, and IS TO COME!)
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To: Chet 99; BADROTOFINGER; JoeProBono; TheThinker; JRandomFreeper

No two ways about it.

No way would she have stepped all the way in if she had a functioning nervous system.

Just like face-transplant-woman who slumbered away while her dog chewed her face off, this woman was clearly drugged to the gills. 136 degree water would probably take minutes (minutes!) to do such destruction. It probably took the smell of her scalding flesh before she figured out something was wrong. I fail to see how the defense counsel couldn’t have called expert witnesses to make mincemeat out of her.

No doubt the plantiff pushed every racial button in the books (there I go assuming things).

Frankly, I’ve been suspecting for years than most corporate counsels are in ideological cahoots with the shakedown artists. Can anyone have graduated from law school in the last three decades who is NOT a raging lefty? Why should government/media/higher ed/entertainment be the only institutions the leftys have been making their long march through?


15 posted on 07/05/2009 10:21:44 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: Chet 99

Why I would never own rental property....complex, duplex, house, bungalow, whatever.


16 posted on 07/05/2009 10:27:21 PM PDT by Jagdgewehr (Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not.)
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To: JoeProBono
I have had anti-scald devices on my showers for almost 15 years. They are cheap and easy to install. They are a good safety net against having someone flush a toilet and burn the crap out of a person in the shower.

The next best choice is a constant temperature valve offered by many hotel chains. It keeps the water at the desired temperature in spite of pressure variations. It's not the same protection as an anti-scald valve, but certainly an improved experience over being scalded or "iced" during a shower.

17 posted on 07/05/2009 10:28:37 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: DieHard the Hunter

“On the other hand, 136 degrees Centigrade water is well past boiling point (100C) and is more than hot enough to scald.”

...Wouldn’t water heated to 135 C just be steam? How could water stay in a liquid state that far beyond it’s boiling point???


18 posted on 07/05/2009 10:33:06 PM PDT by davandbar
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To: sinanju
No doubt the plantiff pushed every racial button in the books (there I go assuming things).

Treon got the OJ "dipstick" jury.

I'm a victim, gimme my money.

19 posted on 07/05/2009 10:34:02 PM PDT by dancusa (The word "racist" is a magic shield word that's supposed to stop any dissent.)
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To: davandbar

OOPS! I meant “its” boiling point.


20 posted on 07/05/2009 10:34:08 PM PDT by davandbar
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To: davandbar
...Wouldn’t water heated to 135 C just be steam? How could water stay in a liquid state that far beyond it’s boiling point???

Pressure cooker is the only thing I could think of to get water that hot.

21 posted on 07/05/2009 10:38:26 PM PDT by dancusa (The word "racist" is a magic shield word that's supposed to stop any dissent.)
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To: dalereed
If I couldn’t get more than 130 degrees in a shower i’d replace the water heater!

That’s just luke warm!

I have mine set at 180 and by the time I get through with a shower I have the cold turned off!

A little exaggeration? Huh?

22 posted on 07/05/2009 10:40:29 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: Chet 99
Anyone who wants their "payday" may as well just go to a hotel.

Scalding Water Found in Nearly 90% of Hotel Rooms

23 posted on 07/05/2009 10:42:02 PM PDT by Zack Attack
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To: dancusa

So, unless she was in an air-tight, pressurized shower, there is no way that the water degree was 135C. It had to be 135F.

I will have to agree with a previous poster about being passed out in the shower drunk!


24 posted on 07/05/2009 10:42:25 PM PDT by davandbar
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To: Chet 99

We are doomed.


25 posted on 07/05/2009 10:42:26 PM PDT by MistrX
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To: DieHard the Hunter
Had to have been F. If it had been C, the emergency valve would have vented the steam and water (and superheated steam, depending on the pressure) to outside.

/johnny

26 posted on 07/05/2009 10:43:44 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (God Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

Most likely it’s in Fahrenheit. We (the US) don’t tend to use the Celsius scale.

The article didn’t really mention whether the scalding water was a momentary change due to a toilet flush or whether the guy really was too stupid to know that hot water will be hot before stepping into the shower.


27 posted on 07/05/2009 10:44:20 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: DieHard the Hunter
And it's Florida. Definitely Fahrenheit. The only reason they don't have quids and pounds are because of the US Constitution. They still measure stuff in inches and feet, and furlongs per fortnight.

Dollar bills are as close as they will ever come to the MKS standard. They missed Mars because of that.

/johnny

28 posted on 07/05/2009 10:47:05 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (God Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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And I have problems believing that anyone could get serious burns from 136F water. A) it's not that hot, I can hold 325F pans in my hand for about 2 seconds without burns

It's not the heat, it's the humidity.

(True explanation)

29 posted on 07/05/2009 10:47:08 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Obama denounces illegal coup, demands democratically elected Alaska Governor be restored to office)
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To: Chet 99

The thermostat on my water heater died a few years ago. It took a couple of days to replace it but, until then, the water came out either ice cold or scalding hot.

The temporary solution was easy. I put out a couple of towels on the shower floor, turned on the shower, let the towels slowly adjust the water to room temperature and then took a towel bath. I didn’t go looking for someone to sue. And the landlord had a new thermostat in a few days.

Have people lost all sense of coping skills?


30 posted on 07/05/2009 10:53:27 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (YES WE CAN have a Depression.)
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To: davandbar
Treon had to be on some serious pharmaceuticals to not notice how hot it was.
31 posted on 07/05/2009 10:56:13 PM PDT by dancusa (The word "racist" is a magic shield word that's supposed to stop any dissent.)
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To: Chet 99

I think it’s reasonable to expect that water will not be boiling hot when you turn on the shower. This is not a case of the law gone wild. Jurors in the 19th century would return this verdict.


32 posted on 07/05/2009 11:00:50 PM PDT by BCrago66
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To: JRandomFreeper

3rd degree burns involve charring, I find it hard to believe 136 degree water would even blister, hell, people LIVE where it gets nearly that hot all day (assuming that Fahrenheit is the correct scale)...


33 posted on 07/05/2009 11:04:19 PM PDT by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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I think it’s reasonable to expect that water will not be boiling hot when you turn on the shower.

Ah... you must live in a city, where shower water isn't boiled. I do too, sometimes. Jurors in the 19th century would be appalled at having to answer a summons for something like this.

And if you don't believe me, come live with me for a few weeks. You will appreciate hot showers afterward, and be smart enough to check the temp before diving in, should you survive.

I like you, you can call me Technical Sergeant.

/johnny

34 posted on 07/05/2009 11:18:13 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (God Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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Let's have some facts about hot water.

CPSC:

Most adults will suffer third-degree burns if exposed to 150 degree water for two seconds. Burns will also occur with a six-second exposure to 140 degree water or with a thirty second exposure to 130 degree water.

SO those who claim they could shower in 136-degree water and not get burned are either wrong, or have extremely thick skin.

Tap Water Burn

According to data from the National Safe Kids Campaign, 4000-5,000 children are scalded each year, most often in bathtubs. The average bathtub scal burn covers 12% of the body surface with a full thickness third degree burn. Statistics from the National Safe Kids Campaign indicate that the scald burn sources were 95% residential settings, 54% in apartment house, and 46% in single family homes.4

If you want to set the temperature in your own house to a heat that could give people 3rd-degree burns, I think that should be your right.

But after decades of warnings that hot water should not be higher than 120 degrees, it is not unreasonable that a woman could get a judgment if a heater that she does not have access to as a renter burned her because it was set to 136 degrees.

And even if you think she should be responsible for testing the temperature, it doesn't help to suggest that 136 degrees is a safe or desired temperature for water.

35 posted on 07/05/2009 11:18:39 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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Old definition, Axe, and the same one I was taught. Charring is no longer required for 3rd degree, just damage in the hypodermis that is permanent.

As always, treat burn victims for shock, and push fluids.

/johnny

36 posted on 07/05/2009 11:33:37 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (God Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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To: JoeProBono

The advertisement clearly shows that centigrade water is responsible for burns. I always keep my water on Farenheit, and I’ve never had a problem.


37 posted on 07/05/2009 11:38:54 PM PDT by TruthShallSetYouFree (Kenya tell me where Obama was born?)
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To: Oztrich Boy
It's not the heat, it's the humidity.

And that's why cooks and chefs throw wet towels in the bin. A wet towel, in a commercial kitchen, unless specifically being used for something (creme brule, for example) is dangerous.

I hide dry towels in the ceiling tiles, so I've always got some. And out in the truck. And in the back of the freezer. And out in the building where they store the chairs......

/johnny

38 posted on 07/05/2009 11:40:52 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (God Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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To: davandbar
Wouldn’t water heated to 135 C just be steam? How could water stay in a liquid state that far beyond it’s boiling point???

Sealed system. High pressure.

Not what a household plumbing system can achieve.

39 posted on 07/05/2009 11:44:45 PM PDT by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: davandbar
How could water stay in a liquid state that far beyond it’s boiling point???

Google steam tables.... I actually have a large book (Physical book with paper pages) of them. Water boils at approx 212F at sea level, and boils at 1 degree less, per 500 ft, so at 8000 ft (ASL), it (mostly, depending on pressure fronts, etc...) boils at 196F.

Conversely, if you increase the pressure, the boiling point goes up.

Superheat and phase changes can make or break degrees and careers.

Thermogoddamics isn't for sissies.

/johnny

40 posted on 07/05/2009 11:51:36 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (God Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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I remember times on my last ship that you had to be awfully careful when turning on the water in the heads, especially in the shower. There were a few times that I turned on the faucet in the head to shave, and got mostly steam coming out. It did clean my razor pretty well, though.


41 posted on 07/05/2009 11:58:07 PM PDT by tarawa
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To: Chet 99

My fiancee is a massage therapist. When he does a “hot stone massage” the stones are kept in water that is kept at a temperature of 140 degrees, and he puts his hands in this water to remove the stones with no ill effects at all.


42 posted on 07/06/2009 12:08:10 AM PDT by chae (I am karmic retribution)
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Reading some replies I'm glad some don't live next door to me. There is no need to set a water heater above 130 degrees. If you don't have enough hot water get a larger capacity heater with quick recovery if electric or go to a gas water heater.

Folks when a water heater blows because the pop off valve and the electrical safteys fails the side of your home will be gone as in big loud boom followed by falling walls.

Or think about your money like this. It is likely the second biggest and most frequent power draw in your home with the electric furnace and central air being number one.

43 posted on 07/06/2009 12:33:34 AM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgement? Which one say ye?)
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To: DieHard the Hunter
On the other hand, 136 degrees Centigrade water is well past boiling point (100C) and is more than hot enough to scald.

So, checking the story again I note that they do not specify whether the temperature is in Fahrenheit or Centigrade. Not overly helpful!

136C water can only be achieved by holding the water in a pressure vessel, and it would flash to steam immediately upon release, most likely killing the person it hit. If the temperature were really in centigrade, the award would be to the survivors.

Mark

44 posted on 07/06/2009 12:41:50 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: JRandomFreeper; Oztrich Boy
It's not the heat, it's the humidity.

And that's why cooks and chefs throw wet towels in the bin. A wet towel, in a commercial kitchen, unless specifically being used for something (creme brule, for example) is dangerous.

I was just thinking about this, and you know, you're absolutely right... I was making a pan seared steak once, using a cast iron skillet that had been in the oven @ 500F heating up, and I grabbed an oven mitt that had accidentally gotten wet near the sink. As soon as the oven mitt touched the skillet, that water flashed to steam and burned the hell out of my thumb.

Mark

45 posted on 07/06/2009 12:51:46 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: rawhide

“A little exaggeration? Huh? “

Not one bit!!!

I also drink my coffee just below boiling.


46 posted on 07/06/2009 12:59:49 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: dalereed
Can I ask you a question and I'm not trying to be sarcastic or funny. Would you sleep well if you knew there was a bomb in your basement or garage? One that was armed 24/7 and if the built in saftey devices failed on the trigger it would go off? How long would you keep it there? Water heaters are nothing to mess around with. 180 degrees in water heating is boiler vessel territory and requires a lot better metal and a lot more safety features.
48 posted on 07/06/2009 1:07:24 AM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgement? Which one say ye?)
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i’ll keep it at 180 thank you!

That’s where i’ve kept it for the last 51 years since I left home and got married and that’s where it’s going to stay..


49 posted on 07/06/2009 1:12:38 AM PDT by dalereed
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Concern is genuine. I’m a retired maintenance mechanic with Commercial HVAC/ Electrical, Plumbing back ground, and also was a Boiler Operator too. I’ve seen houses blown apart by failed water heaters. When the pop off fails it becomes a missile.


50 posted on 07/06/2009 1:19:14 AM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgement? Which one say ye?)
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