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The Deception Behind The Soviet Union Collapse
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Posted on 07/09/2009 7:04:45 AM PDT by Fennie

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To: Toddsterpatriot
The next video will explain why Germany “lost” WWI, to set themselves up in a better position to fight WWII.

Don't forget, the Brits lost the Revolutionary War. What are they really up to?

21 posted on 07/09/2009 8:22:46 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Fennie

And our stock market / real estate market falls were a ruse to get the rest of the world thinking that the US is a doomed, former superpower, so we can wait for nightfall and jump out and surprise them and take them over.

All your markets are belong to us.


22 posted on 07/09/2009 8:28:17 AM PDT by dmz
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To: Fennie
cf: Golitsyn, "New Lies for Old"

www.amazon.com/New-Lies-Old...Golitsyn/dp/0945001134

Golytsin spelled this deception out for James Angleton for the CIA, setting off a string of intelligence-community controversies that eventually drove Angelton (a) mad, and (b) from office.

Suffice it to say that about 100%+- of what Anatoliy Golitsyn had to say has proven eerily accurate in the post-Soviet world.

Read the book.

23 posted on 07/09/2009 8:40:38 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (What's with the Birth Certificate Fuss? Hitler was a foreigner. So was Stalin.)
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To: TBP
I said at the time that it looked exactly like a Communist trick and I turned out to be right again.

Because everyone knows it's easier to invade West Germany from hundreds of miles away through unfriendly territory than from East Germany.

24 posted on 07/09/2009 9:24:43 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: reagan_fanatic

Hogwash on yer hogwash! And vegetarian, Kosher hogwash on my hogwash.


25 posted on 07/09/2009 9:42:10 AM PDT by campaignPete R-CT
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To: campaignPete R-CT
Harrumph, harrumph!




26 posted on 07/09/2009 10:26:53 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (When you put Democrats in charge, stupid things happen)
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To: Kenny Bunk

Putin the “reformer” admits he personally never left the Communist Party. A keen-eyed observer of the CNN TV report on the December, 1999 Russian parliamentary elections spotted Putin presenting his I.D. to the clerk so he could vote.

The I.D. clearly showed the letters CCCP on the inside of the booklet — his official Soviet Union Communist Party ID. The authoritative British journal, “Soviet Analyst” commented that CNN ignored this “curiosity.”


27 posted on 07/09/2009 12:24:47 PM PDT by Fennie
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To: Fennie
Barack Obama is not disarming out nation because he doesn't perceive any threat from the USSR/Soviet Reunion. He is of the mind of Jimmy Carter in thinking that we had NO RIGHT to win the Cold War.

He's been about disarmament since the 1980s (look at his Columbia piece that has been floating around since the first of this year).

It's about knocking this country down and bowing to our betters.

28 posted on 07/09/2009 12:57:15 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: Fennie
Poppycock.

Gorbachev tried to save Communism by reforming it, and fell flat on his face.

Yeltsin may have been a national hero, but he was also a drunken fool. "Staging the fall" was beyond him and his supporters.

29 posted on 07/09/2009 1:05:07 PM PDT by rfp1234
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To: Fennie

"staged for the West to lower its guard."

The part about the West lowering its guard is pretty clear.
The guard has been lowered.

30 posted on 07/09/2009 1:21:52 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Don’t laugh...there are people who think along those lines...:(


31 posted on 07/09/2009 2:08:18 PM PDT by rlmorel ("The Road to Serfdom" by F.A.Hayek - Read it...today.)
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To: dmz

I wanted to post a “hehehe”, but somehow...nearly any humor that has anything to do with markets is like an exploding cigar.


32 posted on 07/09/2009 2:10:28 PM PDT by rlmorel ("The Road to Serfdom" by F.A.Hayek - Read it...today.)
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33 posted on 07/09/2009 2:12:16 PM PDT by rlmorel ("The Road to Serfdom" by F.A.Hayek - Read it...today.)
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To: rlmorel

Especially the clown who posted the thread.


34 posted on 07/09/2009 2:20:44 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
cf: Golitsyn, "New Lies for Old" www.amazon.com/New-Lies-Old...Golitsyn/dp/0945001134

Read the book.

35 posted on 07/09/2009 2:52:50 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (What's with the Obama Birth Certificate Fuss? Hitler was a foreigner. So was Stalin.)
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To: Kenny Bunk

Any one who thinks communism is dead is just NOT paying
attention.


36 posted on 07/09/2009 3:33:03 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Fennie

Irregardless if Russia and the USSR faked its collapse or it was genuine, it STILL remains a threat, and it is STILL communist at heart. All you need to do is look at Vladimir Putin, his background, and the actions of the Russian government and most of the governments of the “Former” Soviet Union (Except the Ukraine [and even here it is dicey] and the Caucuses states)


37 posted on 07/09/2009 8:02:05 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: lizol; Lukasz; strategofr; GSlob; spanalot; Thunder90; Tailgunner Joe; propertius; REactor; ...
Russia/Soviet/Coldwar2 PING!!!

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38 posted on 07/09/2009 8:06:27 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: Fennie

Putin NEVER left the CPSU. In fact, he briefed the Communist Party Russian Federation late last fall, blaming the US for the world economic collapse and said that “Things will be better soon for us, comrades”...


39 posted on 07/09/2009 8:11:35 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: Fennie; Thunder90; tet68
"The interview explains how the 'fall' of the Soviet Union was staged for the West to lower it's guard, so Russia and China can achieve global dominance."

Here it is straight from the horse's mouth (Russia-China global domination and Putin's longing for a return to the 'glory days' of the Soviet Union)...

"the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the [20th] century" -Russian leader Vladimir Putin on the collapse of the Soviet Union...
"World democratic opinion has yet to realize the alarming implications of President Vladimir Putin's State of the Union speech on April 25, 2005, in which he said that the collapse of the Soviet Union represented the 'greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century.'
http://www.hooverdigest.org/053/beichman.html


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Russia and China have been holding joint war games every other year since 2005. The next one is scheduled for this summer...

[2009] Russia, China plan new joint military exercises

By MARTIN SIEFF, UPI Senior News Analyst
Published: March 26, 2009

WASHINGTON, March 26 (UPI) -- The continuing tensions over Russia's refusal to sell its state-of-the-art land warfare advanced weapons systems to China hasn't interrupted the rhythm of major joint military exercises between the two major land powers on the Eurasian landmass. The latest in the regular, biennial series of exercises between the two nations has been confirmed for this summer.

The next in the now well-established series of exercises called Peace Mission 2009 will be carried out in northeastern China, the Russian Defense Ministry announced March 18, according to a report carried by the RIA Novosti news agency.

The first bilateral Peace Mission maneuvers -- described at the time as counter-terrorism exercises -- were held in Russia and the eastern Chinese province of Shandong in August 2005. As we reported at that time, they were a lot bigger than mere counter-terrorism exercises. Warships, squadrons of combat aircraft and more than 10,000 troops were involved carrying out landings against hypothetically hostile shores. The maneuvers also involved large-scale paratroops drops. The scale and nature of those exercises suggested a trial run for a possible Chinese invasion of Taiwan with Russian support. ..."

http://www.upi.com/Security_Industry/2009/03/26/Russia_China_plan_new_joint_military_exercises/UPI-25021238094858/
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Russia, China flex muscles in joint war games
August 17, 2007

CHEBARKUL, Russia (Reuters) - Russia and China staged their biggest joint exercises on Friday but denied this show of military prowess could lead to the formation of a counterweight to NATO.

"Today's exercises are another step towards strengthening the relations between our countries, a step towards strengthening international peace and security, and first and foremost, the security of our peoples," Putin said.

Fighter jets swooped overhead, commandos jumped from helicopters on to rooftops and the boom of artillery shells shook the firing range in Russia's Ural mountains as two of the largest armies in the world were put through their paces.

The exercises take place against a backdrop of mounting rivalry between the West, and Russia and China for influence over Central Asia, a strategic region that has huge oil, gas and mineral resources.

Russia's growing assertiveness is also causing jitters in the West. Putin announced at the firing range that Russia was resuming Soviet-era sorties by its strategic bomber aircraft near NATO airspace.
http://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idINIndia-29030120070817?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0
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War Games: Russia, China Grow Alliance
September 23, 2005

In foreign policy it’s critical to “know thine enemy.” So American policymakers should be aware that Russia and China are inching closer to identifying a common enemy — the United States.

The two would-be superpowers held unprecedented joint military exercises Aug. 18-25. Soothingly named “Peace Mission 2005,” the drills took place on the Shandong peninsula on the Yellow Sea, and included nearly 10,000 troops. Russian long-range bombers, the army, navy, air force, marine, airborne and logistics units from both countries were also involved.

Moscow and Beijing claim the maneuvers were aimed at combating terrorism, extremism and separatism (the last a veiled reference to Taiwan), but it’s clear they were an attempt to counter-balance American military might.

Joint war games are a logical outcome of the Sino-Russian Friendship and Cooperation Treaty signed in 2001, and reflect the shared worldview and growing economic ties between the two Eastern Hemisphere giants."
http://www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ed092605a.cfm
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From the Sino-Russian Joint Statement of April 23, 1997:
"The two sides [China and Russia] shall, in the spirit of partnership, strive to promote the multipolarization of the world and the establishment of a new international order."
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/HI29Ag01.html

40 posted on 07/09/2009 8:17:59 PM PDT by ETL (ALL the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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