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1 posted on 07/10/2009 9:08:47 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

.....a main cornerstone of the anglo-european/judeo-christian culture is it’s reverence for education...not all cultures share that trait.


2 posted on 07/10/2009 9:13:22 PM PDT by STONEWALLS
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To: neverdem
Since the ‘60’s law on desegregation for schools, I thought the black children had as much a chance to excel as the white children.... same teachers... same classes... what's the deal here? There are as many white children who come from poor one parent homes as blacks in most public city schools... and the white children do better.... what's the deal here?

When the Asian young college students do better than their white counterparts, one doesn't hear DISCRIMINATION because we know that their culture values education and strives to learn. Again, what's the deal here?

Are these people saying that blacks can't learn? or black’s have an entitlement feeling, and won't learn.... this isn't a generalization... only this particular group of firefighters.... let's all a spade a spade for a change... instead of dumbing down everything to the lowest demonimator of a third world country so everyone can feel equal in being stupid.

3 posted on 07/10/2009 9:22:19 PM PDT by bareford101 (obamanation's United States of Wonderland, but God still holds the reins)
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To: neverdem

I’ve dealt with many of the race hustlers, and they don’t give a flip whether anyone can actually perform a job duty. They operate on the premise that the job will get done regardless of the qualifications of the individuals performing it.


4 posted on 07/10/2009 9:22:43 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: neverdem

I worked with a young Spanish kid once who had graduated from High School and could not read. I asked him how he passed all the test and he said his teacher read all the questions to him and he answered them verbally.


9 posted on 07/10/2009 9:31:03 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953
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To: neverdem

Powerful article.


15 posted on 07/10/2009 9:45:58 PM PDT by TigersEye (0bama: "I can see Mecca from the WH portico." --- Google - Cloward-Piven Strategy)
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To: neverdem

Hey, if you genuinely care to know what accounts for these differences, consult the Reverend Jeremiah Wright. The illustrious preacher has a sound (!) thesis on this subject.


16 posted on 07/10/2009 9:46:08 PM PDT by definitelynotaliberal
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To: neverdem
The thing that gets me is this is a life or death job,just like the Police and they want to promote on bases of race instead of who is better suited to lead.
18 posted on 07/10/2009 9:50:17 PM PDT by Peacekeeper357 (This is not a free ride. Become a monthly donor like me.)
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To: neverdem

A child will internalize the standards and expectations others set for him or her. Lowering the standards for black students causes them to lower the standards for themselves, which translates into lax study habits, low effort, low motivation, and low achievement.

When black people do well academically, they’re given
special awards that pretty much say “You succeeded DESPITE being black.” What message does this send to other black students? That their color is an obstacle to achievement?


23 posted on 07/10/2009 10:01:22 PM PDT by Julia H. (Remember when dissent was patriotic?)
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To: neverdem
I've taught at universities for eighteen years.

Blacks won't study. They won't work. I'd rather have a class full of black students from anywhere in the world... except for the US.

Black Americans are raised with a chip on their shoulder and the racism of low expectations. At the end of the day the overwhelming majority of black students will not put forth anywhere near the effort required to be successful.

25 posted on 07/10/2009 10:30:03 PM PDT by Brucifer (Proud member of the Double Secret Reloading Underground.)
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...that black firefighters in New Haven may have developed their own unique, black way of fighting fires in response to unequal opportunity on the job. The portrait of firefighting that the test developer used in drawing up the test might have been biased toward the “white” way of firefighting in New Haven, Helms continued, since two-thirds of the firefighters who submitted analyses of their jobs to the test developer were white. Helms had no knowledge of firefighting, had refused to review the promotional exam, and had sought no exposure to the New Haven Fire Department.

When, exactly, did we turn academia over to insane people?

29 posted on 07/10/2009 10:56:42 PM PDT by denydenydeny ("I'm sure this goes against everything you've been taught, but right and wrong do exist"-Dr House)
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To: neverdem

Perhaps the 15-point IQ spread is responsible for this gap?

If that turns out to be the case, telling them to study harder will be about as useful as midnight basketball and fancy new high-tech school buildings. What do we do then?


31 posted on 07/10/2009 11:25:55 PM PDT by bornred
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To: neverdem

It will take two or three more generations for African Americans to assimilate into the mainstream. The Republican philosophy has always promoted equality, assimilation and upward mobility. The Democrat philosophy has always promoted an implied inferiority and the perpetuation of a separate “black community.” This hasn’t changed for almost 150 years.


34 posted on 07/10/2009 11:58:00 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: Jonx6

Bump for later read


35 posted on 07/10/2009 11:58:18 PM PDT by Jonx6
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To: neverdem

Often times the arguments against racial preferences as a component of affirmative action policies devolve into efficacy arguments as to whether or not minorities are harmed by lowering standards and shaving points on entrance exams. While these arguments are important and worthwhile to explore, the most important argument against racial preferences are the sheer injustice and immorality of them, based upon constitutional grounds and our Judeo-Christian tradition of elevating individuals and providing governments to protect their rights. The injustices done to black people in the past were monumental and wrong. An acknowledgment of those injustices is entirely correct and important to an understanding of history. As a matter of law they have just about been entirely rectified today. Those past injustices do not justify injustices to entire group of people today, particularly white males and Asians. We conservative should not be hesitant in pointing out the sheer immorality of racial preferences because we’re afraid of being browbeaten by cultural Marxists who play the race identity, and historical guilt card incessantly.

Given the extent of Communist infiltration into the civil rights movement in the 1960s, is not at all surprising that much of the legacy of the civil rights movement is an extensive use of the tools of the cultural Marxist.

That is the translation of economic Marxism into cultural terms. The cultural Marxist appropriates what should rightfully belong to a better qualified individual through racial preferences in affirmative-action, as opposed to outright economic appropriation from those same individuals.

We are just about prohibited from pointing this out due to the fact that ending de facto segregation and unjust discrimination was a noble objective. It’s just that many of the people who were enlisted and who volunteered in the effort to accomplish this had other more nefarious goals in mind, mainly the restructuring of the civil society through social engineering.

And as to the efficacy arguments, most of the schools that the black firefighters attended were undoubtedly in inner-city schools that are run by Democrats and liberals through organizations like the National Education Association. These ignorance factories largely refuse to entertain the notion of school choice, charter schools, educational vouchers, and are beholden to teachers unions would put the best interests of their students aside in favor of union friendly policies. Satisfied with churning out students who are largely incapable of competing on cognitive tests, they are content to have affirmative action magic wands waved to correct what they see as “disparate impact” while endeavoring to wholly remove that impact from the results of the inferior educational establishments that they administer.

The effects of this loose conspiracy by the liberal education establishment might not be so baleful were it not for the cultural destruction wrought by the welfare state that these sell same like-minded liberals imposed on the black community in the 1960s with Lyndon Baines Johnson’s Great Society. Taken together it has been a recipe for absolute and utter educational disaster


40 posted on 07/11/2009 6:52:07 AM PDT by DMZFrank
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To: neverdem
Viewed solely in terms of apparent personal capacity to pass the exam, Ricci, being dyslexic and confronting a written exam, was the individual most likely to fail. However, by sheer dint of personal grit and exceptionally hard work, he was one of the high scorers. Ergo, any one of the blacks, not suffering his severe handicap, could have done better by equally hard work. Of all things she didn't show in her decision, empathy for a hard working, handicapped man is the first Sotomayor lacked.
49 posted on 07/12/2009 11:25:23 AM PDT by libstripper
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