Posted on 07/13/2009 9:55:26 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
Human-Chimp Similarities: Common Ancestry or Flawed Research?
by Jeffrey Tomkins, Ph.D.*
In 2003, the human genome was heralded as a near-complete DNA sequence, except for the repetitive regions that could not be resolved due to the limitations of the prevailing DNA sequencing technologies.[1] The chimpanzee genome was subsequently finished in 2005 with the hope that its completion would provide clear-cut DNA similarity evidence for an ape-human common ancestry.[2] This similarity is frequently cited as proof of man's evolutionary origins, but a more objective explanation tells a different story, one that is more complex than evolutionary scientists seem willing to admit...
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http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/evolution-fact.html
Even a creationist should be able to understand that.
Like everything else, thought evolves. A monkey is a more sentient being than an amoeba, so is a snake.
If you are asking about the origins of life, that is another matter. Nobody knows how life was generated. Personally,, I think life is only capable of being produced by the hands of God. BUT if somebody tomorrow was able to “create” life in a test tube, my interpretation of God's handiwork in the matter by having created the laws that allowed that life to be “created” would sustain my faith.
People like you would be standing there with no response because you have painted yourselves into a box by a myopic reliance on a restricted, very personal and very literal interpretation of one small section of scriptures.
“This must account for the scientists studying prayer and then with a complete straight face, the cultists parrot the demand that God be kept out of the science classrooms or demanding religion not be dragged into the science classroom or science debate while simultaneously dragging the Pope into the equation. :)”
???????????????? Faith deals with morality, religion and salvation. It has nothing to do with science. Science deals with facts, theories and experiments. It has nothing to do with faith, morality and salvation. You perspective is seriously defective.
“Seriously, liberals are all over the map. I think they simply gave up on getting out the myriad memos and are so utterly confused they just don’t even try to keep up anymore.”
I’m not a liberal.
“Such as “origins is somehow sterlie from or unrelated to evolution”, for instance.
Evoution explains the “how,” not the “why.” The “why” should be left up to theologians and philosphers, where it belongs
The total inability of certain fundamentalists to distinguish between religion and science, faith and facts, amazes me.
>>My breaking point came when I read George Gaylord Simpson, paleontologist and comparative vertebrate anatomist at Harvard say, “Place a chimpanzee in front of an IBM typewriter, and given enough time, he will reproduce the entire works of Shakespear, word for word.” <<
It will happen a lot faster if each generation of monkeys get positive and negative reinforcement. Even then, 8,000,000 (approx) characters in the correct order and you are gonna need a lot of monkeys. If you want to get it done in less than a billion years.
The longer you get indocrinated at Temple of Darwin indocrination centers, the more likely you are to parrot braindead evo-religion. It takes a truly stout heart and a keen mind to resist being brainwashed by your evo co-religionists at the graduate level.
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Nice backhanded compliment to yourself GGG. We ‘evolutionists’ are unworthy. We could not withstand the pressure.
Only you have ever been strong enough to withstand the forces of evolutionism while attending a Temple of Darwin Indoctrination Center.
Yep, pick and choose your interpretations and make that your religion.
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A pretty good explanation there for all of the different versions of Christianity out there, yours among them. For some it is a young earth and a literal reading of the Bible. Others, not so much.
I have nothing to back this up so take it for what it is worth.
If you read the bible from cover to cover, you read of creation and destruction, over and over. Usually God leaves a remnant to move his plan forward. Even the creation we live in now is destined for destruction.
When you look at the geologic history of this planet, we see creation and destruction. Entire kingdoms of species disappear and are replaced with new. The actions we read about in the Bible are very similar to the actions we see recorded in the Earth.
I have complete faith that the truth put forward in the Bible is literally true but we infer so much that we cannot understand how the truth in the Bible reconciles with the truth seen in fossils and geology.
When we have the opportunity to see the universe from the perspective of God, we will see that he has given us the truth in the Bible.
I have faith that we are descended from Adam. I am not threatened by the fact that there appears to be creatures that looked similar to me before Adam and there are similarities in the structures of animals and my structure, we are all God's creation.
I am a strange breed that believes in the literal truth of Genesis and in the study of evolution without seeing a contradiction.
I usually don't discuss this as it totally freaked out my preacher and nonbelievers dismiss it out of hand.
Projection is your middle name. You are the one who is constantly being defeated by non-scientists, Dropout. It is you who are always found clinging to yesterday’s, long-since refuted evo “arguments.” And just as I thought, you would rather accuse me in engaging in hubris than lay out your lame, outdated ERV argument, because deep down you know that to do so would mean falling flat on your face again.
Laughably inept Gutless wonder.
Your delusion in thinking you have “defeated” an entire field of study that it is obvious you don’t even understand is only matched by your hubris in trying to call yourself God.
“I am a strange breed that believes in the literal truth of Genesis and in the study of evolution without seeing a contradiction.”
Not sure what you mean.
I believe in Genesis, basically and in evolution. I believe evolution is the method God chose to create one species from another.
The Bible says the world was created in seven days. How long was a day back then? Is God’s day the same as our day? Can a finite mind really understand God and his methods? Didn’t God create the laws of physics and biology through which evolution and the Big Bang operated? Doesn’t that mean, essentially, the same things as Genesis?
When Genesis says that God created man out of the dust of the earth, does it mean literally “dirt” or a lower animal? Does it mean that God created man out of basic chemicals like methane, etc, through the evoltuonary process? Who exactly WAS Adam anyway? Was he an individual or a population? If God created man from a lower animal, at what point in the evolutionary cycle did man become man and not some lower hominid? Didn’t that happen at the point God gave him an immortal soul? Does that mean that lower animals are soul-less or does that mean that the souls of men and lower creatures are in some way different as ours are a mirror of God (made in His image and likeness)?
What about the passage in the Bible about the Sons of God and the daughters of men and there were giants in those days? What does that mean???
The Bible is full of statements that generate questions. Different people read these statements and come up with different answers. The reason the Bible was not translated into the vernacular until the Reformation was because the Medieval Church was aware of this and didn’t want people reading it and asking their own questions and coming up with answers which might be unorthodox and question the authority of the Medieval Church.
I think, as a Christian, the most important part of the Bible is the message that God created man in his image, that man sinned, that he has an immortal soul, that he was place on earth to choose between God and salvation, betweeen the Devil and Christ, that God sent his only Son to pay the price for our sins and save us, if we were willing to accept that salvation, and that Christ will come again at the Last Judgement to raise the dead and either condemn or save us, based on our acceptance of Him and His teachings, and that those who are saved willl live on in His presence.
I believe you can’t be a Christian unless you believe in the immortal soul, in the sacrifice and salvation that came from Christ’s death and suffering, that He was the Son of God, that He rose from the Dead and that Satan exists as a living entity and is the enemy of God, us and the truth.
Everything else is just secondary.
Typical diversion. You’re a fraud and an embarrassment to Christians.
As is usually the case, you are too slow on the uptake to even grasp the dumbed down language I employ to reach your evo-washed brain. Let me restate. Your arguments are both outdated and refuted. I have used Creation, ID, and Temple of Darwin approved sources to demonstrate this to you many times, and yet you still keep coming back with the same lame evo “arguments.” You remind me of a horned goat I used to have to contend with on my uncles farm. It would ram you and ram you and ram you, even though every time it did so my uncle would be out there beating it over the head with a large hammer. But we didn’t blame the poor animal. All it took was one look into its expressionless eyes, and you knew it had no choice in the matter.
LOL...coming from the man who makes it a point to hate on Christians, I’ll take that as a compliment!
I am a Christian. You are a lying cultist.
Projecting again, I see.
An assertion. Now tell me how thought or consciousness or justice evolved. These are nonmaterial. In your darwinist materialist world, how does materialism account for that which is nonmaterial?
People like you would be standing there with no response because you have painted yourselves into a box by a myopic reliance on a restricted, very personal and very literal interpretation of one small section of scriptures.
Which scripture did I use in discussing this matter with you?
If you are asking about the origins of life, that is another matter
If you would like to discuss cosmology or origin of life I will be more than happy to engage. I did not ask about these matters. I know it is a common technique for one illequiped to discuss matters at hand to change the subject. In examining my questions to you,(there were about 12 to 15) you answered none. NONE. You did not even try to answer any of my questions. Then after I asked a series of questions regarding biological darwinian evolution you come up with a statement like, "People like you........", an obvious ineffective, tangential ad hominem. You are the one who, in your earlier post, involked 'logic'. That is why I asked you the question. Yet you, having declared darwinism is the arbiter of that very logic, cannot account for it by materialism and scientific methodology. Moreover, the darwinist has no hope for ever justifying their claim they are masters of the domain of logic and that any other world view are....."people like you.....". Such 'scientific' hubris is one of the reasons you cannot, and will never be able to honestly examine such questions as I have put to you. It is such the intellectual overlords keep committing the same error. They never ask, "Could the other side be correct? Let us take a look at their position." This a priori commitment to materialism hobbles you from ever examining these issues honestly.
Lying again, I see.
Projecting again, I see.
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