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Mandatory End of Life Counseling for Seniors
Zach's House Blog ^ | July 17, 2009 | Zach

Posted on 07/17/2009 4:11:33 PM PDT by madison10

Edited on 07/17/2009 4:30:33 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: madison10

Take a firearm and teach the counselors more about the subject.


101 posted on 07/17/2009 5:44:18 PM PDT by gitmo (History books will read that Lincoln freed the slaves and Obama enslaved the free.)
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To: madison10

I don’t see it explained as stated. If I’m wrong, please correct me with the correct passage.

BTW, End of Life, as we are talking about, begins on page 431.


102 posted on 07/17/2009 5:45:19 PM PDT by papasmurf (RnVjayB5b3UsIDBiYW1hLCB5b3UgcGllY2Ugb2Ygc2hpdCBjb3dhcmQh)
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To: Jeff Head

Page 431&432.


103 posted on 07/17/2009 5:45:41 PM PDT by papasmurf (RnVjayB5b3UsIDBiYW1hLCB5b3UgcGllY2Ugb2Ygc2hpdCBjb3dhcmQh)
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To: Paved Paradise

” Yeah. It’s really simple. “We aren’t going to give you the treatment you need so to make the dying process a little more palatable, here’s some counseling.” “

Yes, that’s exactly what it’s going to be. Unless you’re a Kennedy or some other American Royalty.

Molon Labe.


104 posted on 07/17/2009 5:46:19 PM PDT by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: madison10
Shades of all the worst-case Sci-fi movies I ever saw.

If this bill becomes law we will need to go to RED ALERT!!! Just keeping the sci-fi theme going. ;)

105 posted on 07/17/2009 5:47:16 PM PDT by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: Post5203
I can’t imagine the geezers in the senate going for this.

They will exempt themselves.

Kind of the way Fidel and Raul are exempt from the rules of their "top-notch" state-run medical system.

If this abortion of our constitutional rights (life, liberty and all that jazz) passes, I also envision the government finding a way to force any recalcitrant MDs into getting a high percentage of their old patients to sign on the dotted line to go into the wood chipper for the "greater good."

I can see the government penalizing MDs with a low percentage of elderly patients agreeing to be euthanized... for instance, if an MD has fewer than 50% (a random number, pulled out of my paranoid, right-wing imagination) of his elderly patients signed up for the wood chipper, then he (or she, the MD) will only get 15% (another randomly chosen number) of the standard reimbursement.

Heck, I could also see a special "bonus" going to the lucky MD who has 75% or more of his elderly patients agreeing to government euthanasia.

Can we recall a president?

106 posted on 07/17/2009 5:50:24 PM PDT by onemiddleamerican
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To: itsahoot

“So where is the AARP?
My guess is they are sponsors.”

Wouldn’t be surprised. After reading the text, I’d bet that AARP sees this as helpful to Seniors who have questions about living wills, nursing homes etc.
But, once again, seems like the government and the proponents of this Administration seem to believe that most Americans are too stupid to think and make decisions for themselves...(hmmmm, maybe they’re basing this assumption on the results of the last election...maybe some truth to this...).

As mentioned by another poster....making this MANDATORY is chipping away another piece of our freedom.

Further, just how do they intend to enforce this?? Not to mention the cost to insurance companies....i suspect this would be a required benefit. We are living in Bizarro world but it’s not at all funny.


107 posted on 07/17/2009 5:52:49 PM PDT by 4integrity
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To: madison10

I am going to puke now. Satan is behind this.


108 posted on 07/17/2009 5:53:46 PM PDT by dforest (Who is the real Jim Thompson? I am.)
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To: madison10
The seniors should arm themselves, organize into paramilitary entities and go down fighting should this horror ever even remotely comes to be. I am sick to death with these Godless subhumans.
109 posted on 07/17/2009 5:56:46 PM PDT by Dionysius (Jingoism is no vice in these troubled times.)
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To: Dionysius
The seniors should arm themselves, organize into paramilitary entities and go down fighting should this horror ever even remotely comes to be. I am sick to death with these Godless subhumans.

Can't see many of them doing that, but their families really need to watch out for them and attend such sessions, if possible. What concerns me are the so-called privacy statements put out by the medical industry--they are okay now, but will they be in the way when the children want to help their parents?

110 posted on 07/17/2009 5:59:24 PM PDT by madison10 (Prayer is what is remains when we run out of options...when it should have been the first choice.)
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To: goodnesswins

In NYS, if you are hospitalized you are hounded by the social worker to sign the DNR orders (do not resuscitate). You could be hanging off the bed but they want to know immediately if you are not conscious what to do. What is being recounted in the article is indeed a living will of sorts, only now it will be universal.


111 posted on 07/17/2009 6:05:33 PM PDT by sueuprising
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To: madison10

112 posted on 07/17/2009 6:06:17 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Obama. Clear and Pres__ent Danger.)
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To: Domandred

They’ll be pretty ticked if the have to sit in a shrinks office for counseling about it
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That is exactly what these Communists hope for. That the most people will be is ticked off. How about saying NO and refusing? I am tending to agree with some on here. Too many have gone soft and are willing to accept whatever they are told to do. I’m not one of them. I will leave this country and never come back before I will live as a slave to the government.


113 posted on 07/17/2009 6:09:59 PM PDT by mojitojoe (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: madison10

bookmark


114 posted on 07/17/2009 6:12:27 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (No prisoners. No mercy. 2010 awaits.....)
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To: madison10

who’s thinking this stuff up? I don’t think they offer that counseling at Planned Parenthood.


115 posted on 07/17/2009 6:12:31 PM PDT by swheats (Time is still the greatest equalizer)
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To: Post5203

I can’t imagine the geezers in the senate going for this.
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As if they ever read all the way to 425. Reid admitted that if any of them ever read every page of every bill they would never get anything passed. How sick is that?


116 posted on 07/17/2009 6:13:24 PM PDT by mojitojoe (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: sueuprising
In NYS, if you are hospitalized you are hounded by the social worker to sign the DNR orders (do not resuscitate). You could be hanging off the bed but they want to know immediately if you are not conscious what to do. What is being recounted in the article is indeed a living will of sorts, only now it will be universal.

Right. And the new rules have no HIPPA waiver clause. Therefore by default it prohibits any family members to be present during the mandatory arm-twisting consultation.

117 posted on 07/17/2009 6:14:43 PM PDT by Gideon7
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To: swheats
who’s thinking this stuff up? I don’t think they offer that counseling at Planned Parenthood.

Good point. Why don't they give the mothers such counseling before killing their babies?

118 posted on 07/17/2009 6:16:18 PM PDT by madison10 (Prayer is what is remains when we run out of options...when it should have been the first choice.)
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To: Paladin2
So where is the AARP?

They have been calling members in New England asking them to call their Congressman and to urge them to vote AGAINST ObamaCare.

119 posted on 07/17/2009 6:19:10 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: madison10

I think the Democratic congress better be look into end of life counseling because they apparently don’t realize how close they are getting to their own end of life.


120 posted on 07/17/2009 6:21:02 PM PDT by Sig Sauer P220 (Forget going Galt. Its time to go Braveheart.)
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