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A compromise on auditing the Fed?
The Washington Times ^ | July 27, 2009 | Alfred Tella

Posted on 07/27/2009 6:32:08 PM PDT by expat_panama

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To: Tax Government

I’m ready to fight with you Generals Jackson, T. Jefferson, Paul.. National Banks are more dangerous than standing armies (or Democrats, really..)!


41 posted on 07/27/2009 8:06:09 PM PDT by JSDude1
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To: Technogeeb

I disagree (while some may have noble..yet misguided motives), we (as humans, men are inherantly corrupt, evil, therefore without any ‘check’ on this power (or accountability/transparency) they WILL do evil, to enrich themselves are their cronies, families! Many behind the Federal Reserve I believe to be not just corrupt, not just members of an organization which is un-Constituional and ‘fleeces the people’, but crooks as well..fit only for the most maximum security prisions!!


42 posted on 07/27/2009 8:10:37 PM PDT by JSDude1
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To: Technogeeb
This is a subject that gets somewhat complex; I apologize for assuming a certain level of audience knowledge about how the Fed and the Treasury works, and how dollars are (supposed to be) created.

Dollars are not created by Treasury auctions.

43 posted on 07/27/2009 8:11:14 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: expat_panama

Aw, shucks . . . I hope your pen in the FEMA boxcar has a window.


44 posted on 07/27/2009 8:18:46 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Please enlighten us all. How, then, are dollars created?


45 posted on 07/27/2009 8:26:03 PM PDT by theyreallthesame
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Dollars are not created by Treasury auctions.

This can be true. It could be that such auctions might be purchased by Britain, or the Chinese, or from some large institutional fund or account whose manager would prefer to hold the bonds instead of previously obtained dollars. In these cases there is no creation of new dollars, simply the transfer of existing dollars back to the US (at the price of additional US debt).

One would hope that the need for M3 under such conditions would be even more obvious.

46 posted on 07/27/2009 8:44:54 PM PDT by Technogeeb (The only good Russian is a dead Russian. Rest in Peace, Solzhenitsyn.)
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To: Technogeeb
Dollars are not created by Treasury auctions.

This can be true.

Please explain when it's not true.

47 posted on 07/27/2009 8:52:57 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Please explain when it's not true.

The simple answer is when the Fed buys them, but the issue is quite a bit more complex than that (as I've already mentioned before in this topic, I would suggest you search the web to find appropriate books and videos that describe the Fed's role, because it is more than can be adequately described in a short post).

48 posted on 07/27/2009 9:09:48 PM PDT by Technogeeb (The only good Russian is a dead Russian. Rest in Peace, Solzhenitsyn.)
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To: Technogeeb
The simple answer is when the Fed buys them

The Fed doesn't buy Treasuries at auctions.

49 posted on 07/27/2009 9:16:23 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
The Fed doesn't buy Treasuries at auctions.

You've apparently not been paying attention.

50 posted on 07/27/2009 9:24:23 PM PDT by Technogeeb (The only good Russian is a dead Russian. Rest in Peace, Solzhenitsyn.)
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To: Technogeeb
The Fed doesn't buy Treasuries at auctions.

You've apparently not been paying attention.

LOL! When was the last auction where the Fed participated? How much did they buy?

51 posted on 07/27/2009 10:00:42 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: rabscuttle385; djsherin; bamahead; murphE; Extremely Extreme Extremist; Captain Kirk; Gondring; ...

Ping


52 posted on 07/27/2009 10:16:33 PM PDT by djsherin (Government is essentially the negation of liberty.)
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To: Tax Government
The Fed can fabricate “wealth” out of thin air,

If it was just a matter of fabricating wealth, there would be less of an issue. They're fabricating debt and that is worse.

53 posted on 07/27/2009 10:48:56 PM PDT by altair (When will the "major" parties nominate someone with at least a room temperature IQ?)
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To: cripplecreek

Audit

Eliminate

Jail the staff


54 posted on 07/27/2009 11:39:10 PM PDT by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
The Fed doesn't buy Treasuries at auctions.

You are wrong; you should try to educate yourself about how the Fed works. For example, they bought ~$122 billion in the late March auction alone.

LOL! When was the last auction where the Fed participated? How much did they buy?

So I guess that is an admission that you're not paying attention? Nice scam; hide the evidence (M3) and then claim that the since the easiest way to detect the crime is no longer available that the crime didn't happen.

Not that it matters any more, since the Fed is doing it openly now.

55 posted on 07/28/2009 12:12:24 AM PDT by Technogeeb (The only good Russian is a dead Russian. Rest in Peace, Solzhenitsyn.)
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To: expat_panama

the fed is only “missing” 9 trillion dollars .. why bother looking? Obama can spend that in a month without ever having any one read the bills!


56 posted on 07/28/2009 1:15:54 AM PDT by Munz (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: expat_panama

Thanks for the ping. Think, since I’m late to the game, I’ll sit this one out and do a little lurking.


57 posted on 07/28/2009 4:13:52 AM PDT by wolfcreek (KMTEXASA!)
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To: 10Ring

And childish.


58 posted on 07/28/2009 4:16:17 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: Technogeeb
if you think I'm trying to lay the blame for the current economic house of cards on Bernanke.

No, where we went wrong was your saying the Fed's logic was 'sinister' -- i.e., satanic.   That's a bit of a hyperbole. I was poking fun at your blaming the devil.  

Words mean things, so another thought is that while the US economy still does the work of a fourth of the world's population, it's only got a twentieth of the worlds people.  Some "house of cards".

59 posted on 07/28/2009 4:53:17 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: Tax Government
The Fed can fabricate “wealth” out of thin air...

You made that up.

Maybe you're thinking of how the private banks create money out of thin air, which is true.   The bank loans money so people can go from nothing to having a debt while owing cash of an equal amount.  People end up with more money but not having more wealth.

60 posted on 07/28/2009 5:02:03 AM PDT by expat_panama
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