The United States did not use the word "African" for birth certificates in 1961 - Obama's does!

Vital Statistics of the United States ^ | 1961 | U.S. Dept. of Health

[rxsid]

I disagree completely as there is no known definition (or legal president for that matter) that says born to 1 or both foreign national parents means one is NBC. Doesn’t exist.

[jamese777]

I disagree completely as there is no known definition (or legal president for that matter) that says born to 1 or both foreign national parents means one is NBC. Doesn’t exist.

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There is no case law on the subject. Period. Every attempt to bring a case to the Supreme Court regarding Barack Obama was rejected for a hearing by the Court.
Last term in the Supreme Court, lawsuits were presented to Justices Souter, Kennedy, Scalia, Thomas, and Roberts and none of them was able to get three other Justices to agree to hear a challenge to Obama’s eligibility.

[jamese777]

From usconstitution.net:
Natural-born citizen

Who is a natural-born citizen? Who, in other words, is a citizen at birth, such that that person can be a President someday?

The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.” But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps.

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are “citizens of the United States at birth:”

•Anyone born inside the United States *
•Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person’s status as a citizen of the tribe
•Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
•Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
•Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
•Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
•Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
•A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
* There is an exception in the law — the person must be “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States. This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.

Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.

Separate sections handle territories that the United States has acquired over time, such as Puerto Rico (8 USC 1402), Alaska (8 USC 1404), Hawaii (8 USC 1405), the U.S. Virgin Islands (8 USC 1406), and Guam (8 USC 1407). Each of these sections confer citizenship on persons living in these territories as of a certain date, and usually confer natural-born status on persons born in those territories after that date. For example, for Puerto Rico, all persons born in Puerto Rico between April 11, 1899, and January 12, 1941, are automatically conferred citizenship as of the date the law was signed by the President (June 27, 1952). Additionally, all persons born in Puerto Rico on or after January 13, 1941, are natural-born citizens of the United States. Note that because of when the law was passed, for some, the natural-born status was retroactive.

The law contains one other section of historical note, concerning the Panama Canal Zone and the nation of Panama. In 8 USC 1403, the law states that anyone born in the Canal Zone or in Panama itself, on or after February 26, 1904, to a mother and/or father who is a United States citizen, was “declared” to be a United States citizen. Note that the terms “natural-born” or “citizen at birth” are missing from this section.

In 2008, when Arizona Senator John McCain ran for president on the Republican ticket, some theorized that because McCain was born in the Canal Zone, he was not actually qualified to be president. However, it should be noted that section 1403 was written to apply to a small group of people to whom section 1401 did not apply. McCain is a natural-born citizen under 8 USC 1401(c): “a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person.” Not eveyone agrees that this section includes McCain — but absent a court ruling either way, we must presume citizenship.
http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html

[BP2]

Anyway you cut it, Obama's Certificate number should be BEFORE, not AFTER, the Nordyke twins!

His form was accepted/filed by the Registrar THREE days before both of the Nordyke twins. The turn-around time by the state in the 60s is less than a week -- 4-6 days as shown below. YET his Certificate # is THREE certificate numbers BEFORE Gretchen's.

Name	Location of Birth	Birth Cert #	(Day) Date/Time Born	Date of Signature of Parent or Other Informant	(Day) Date Accepted by Local Reg.	Diff bet Date born & Accepted by Local Reg.
Barack Hussein Obama	Kapiolani Medical Center	151-61-10641	(Fri) Aug. 4, 1961 7:24 pm	unknown	Aug. 8, 1961 *	4 days
Susan Elizabeth Nordyke	Kapiolani Medical Center	151-61-10637	(Sat) Aug. 5, 1961 2:12 pm	Aug 8, 1961	Aug 11, 1961	6 days
Gretchen Carter Nordyke	Kapiolani Medical Center	151-61-10638	(Sat) Aug. 5, 1961 2:17 pm	Aug 8, 1961	Aug 11, 1961	6 days
Edith Pauline Coats	Wahiawa Gen. Hospital	151-62-08498	(Fri) June 15, 1962 3:51 am	June 15, 1962	June 19, 1962	4 days

* Note: Obama’s Certification states “Date Filed by Registrar” instead of “Date Accepted by Registrar”

[Red Steel]

Just a note to the idiots at DU, who have flagged this thread as being racist...this has nothing to do with racism

You are the DUmbest people.

[IrishPennant]

Hey, DUmmies...a little country called Kenya is risin' to take your boyfriend home...

[rxsid]

You can’t say citizen=natural born citizen by what you’ve cited. Well, you could, but you’d be wrong of course.

[rxsid]

"There is no case law on the subject"

Glad you agree with me (see #169).

[jamese777]

You can’t say citizen=natural born citizen by what you’ve cited. Well, you could, but you’d be wrong of course.

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Don’t try to kill the messenger. Its the law of the United States that uses the term “Citizen at birth.”
Now if the law is “wrong” there’s nothing that I can do about that.

[Red Steel]

Its the law of the United States that uses the term “Citizen at birth.” Now if the law is “wrong” there’s nothing that I can do about that.

If there was no dispute over what a citizen is then that statute would say 'Natural Born Citizen' instead of the general term 'Citizen'.

You can't do nothing about that.

[rxsid]

VATTEL!

"THE VENUS, 12 U.S. (8 Cranch) 253, 289 (1814) (Marshall, C.J. concurring) (cites Vattel’s definition of Natural Born Citizen);
SHANKS V. DUPONT, 28 U.S. 242, 245 (1830) (same definition without citing Vattel)
MINOR V. HAPPERSETT, 88 U.S.162,167-168 ( 1875) (same definition without citing Vattel);
EX PARTE REYNOLDS, 1879, 5 Dill., 394, 402 (same definition and cites Vattel):
UNITED STATES V WARD, 42 F.320 (C.C.S.D. Cal. 1890) (same definition and cites Vattel.)"

http://www.scribd.com/doc/17519578/Kerchner-v-Obama-Congress-DOC-34-Plaintiffs-Brief-Opposing-Defendants-Motion-to-Dismiss

Des citoyens et naturels

[FlashBack]

My friend, who was born in '62 stated that his BC has NEGRO stamped on it....that was his first red-flag when seeing it.

[mquinn]

No, they didn’t. The density in these birther threads is astounding.