The government will have direct access to all bank accounts for electronic funds transfer to pay

Rush Limbaugh .com ^ | 8/04/09 | The Maha

[combat_boots]

This is the fleckman twitter page link:

Health Care Bill Summary From Peter Fleckenstein’s Twitter Account: http://twitter.com/fleckman

Peter Fleckenstein’s Twitter Account ^ | July 24, 2009 | Peter Fleckenstein

Per upchuck, going to the bill itself may provide more clarity.

So...

Page 16 of the House Health Care plan says:

“Except as provided in this paragraph, the individual health insurance issuer offering such coverage does not enroll any individual in such coverage if the first effective date of coverage is on or after the first day of the year the legislation becomes law.”

Also see:
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=332548165656854

[upchuck]

The flecksman twitter page is one of the misleading lists I wrote about.

PG 195 officers & employees of HealthCare Administration (Government) will have access to ALL Americans financial/personal records.

Note the emphasized "ALL."

Then note the part of the bill from pg 195 that says (emphasis mine), "“...shall disclose to of- ficers and employees of the Health Choices Ad- ministration or such State-based health insur- ance exchange, as the case may be, return information of any taxpayer whose income is relevant in determining any affordability credit described in subtitle C of title II of the America’s Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009."

This does not apply to ALL taxpayers, just those that will get a tax credit to help pay for their health insurance.

If the government is going to be help some people pay their insurance, doesn't it make sense that a protocol be established to determine who these people are? That's what this part of the bill does.

[Tarpon]

I think you know exactly what this is all about, and why it’s weasel worded the way it is to obfuscate what is really going to happen. It’s not complicated.

And it’s not Constitutional either.

[the_Watchman]

I do believe that the general intent of the bill is to unconstitutionally take control of the medical services of our economy. This particular provision, however, could simply be an attempt to state that the services to be provided can be paid for via direct billing from the customer accounts. If I were setting up a hospital, I might include very similar wording in the administrative directives. My point is that being a private entity, you would have no concern about the implementation of these directives at my private hospital.

I provide my observations simply to point out that there is a somewhat logical explanation for these provisions. Conservatives attempting to undermine the bill; e.g., us, may find the response to our complaints to be that this is merely a statement that the agencies will be able to direct bill, therefore, what’s the big fuss. At that point, our response should be that another valid interpretation of this provision is that clients will have to accede to direct billing from their bank accounts in order to get services. A true liberal will counter that our interpretation is a “stretch”. At this juncture, you, the conservative, should point out that nobody would have to worry about such language being a “stretch” if the enterprise were left in the private sector, where it belongs!

Thus, I am not trying to give cover to this bill. Instead, I am suggesting that this particular provision may simply be the result of haste on their part and the dangers entailed from these provisions are inherent only because they apply, inappropriately to a government enterprise.

The wording of this provision and others demonstrates that the writers have no general regard for individual liberty. It also demonstrates a false level of detail attempting to mislead the public into believing it is well thought out.

I think that Free Republic should devote a thread to the best arguments to bring up in town halls and short discussions. So far, the videos have produced one fellow who commented that Congress wants to push healthcare reform through in 6 weeks when Obama took 6 months to choose a dog for his kids. Another good rejoinder was the guy who asked the congressman why he wasn’t going to be covered by this “great” healthcare plan. [The congressman made NO response.] One-liners such as these provide sound bites which can have a big impact and are easy to grasp by the general public.

[Tarpon]

They are throwing the Constitution in the toilet and flushing it.

[Libloather]

Time to cash out!

Question - what happens if the balance is zero? Do they bill one of your credit cards?

I just heard that Fox News will cover this aspect of the scam some time on Thursday.

[George from New England]

And today, August 12th, 8 days later, we hear that the IRS will be getting access to all the accounts in Switzerland. So US citizens that have moved or want to or plan to shift funds into Swiss accounts are now doomed. Thank you EU and the international court crap.