Posted on 08/08/2009 6:25:30 AM PDT by spacejunkie01
ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) - Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin called President Barack Obama's health plan "downright evil" Friday in her first online comments since leaving office, saying in a Facebook posting that he would create a "death panel" that would deny care to the neediest Americans.
"The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care," the former Republican vice presidential candidate wrote.
"Such a system is downright evil," Palin wrote on her page, which has nearly 700,000 supporters. She encouraged her supporters to be engaged in the debate.
(Excerpt) Read more at apnews.myway.com ...
Suggest you keep your mouth shut. You are the lightweight and have absolutely zero credibility here, and probably anywhere.
“I agree that it is evil and I agree that these will ultimately be death panels. But that is beside the point right now. In order to win this battle, it is necessary to try to understand how the people on the fence think and devise a strategy to get them on our side or keep them on our side.”
Well you keep thinking there, along with all those other mute thinkers in the party like Romney, but don’t expect anybody will expect any pearls of wisdom from a do nothing know nothing like you.
“Your argument is ridiculous and appears to come from a desire to not offend the dems, believe me the sentiment won’t be returned they will still paint you with the same brush they paint Sarah Palin.”
The argument “comes from” a desire to figure out the best way to win.
And that requires:
1) Understanding that our side cannot win with just conservatives - we need some independents to line up with us (which appears to be happening);
2) Understanding that independents tend to be more secular in their thinking, i.e. they do not think like us;
3) As a result of number 2, tailoring the message so that it focuses strictly on the practical ramifications of Obamacare and does not provide the democrats with ammunition that they can use to influence independents.
IT IS EVIL : STOP BEING AFRAID OF BEING DEFINED BY THE MSM - THERE IS A GRASSROOTS WILDFIRE OUT THERE
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/08/07/peter-ferrara-new-study-obama-health-pla/
by: Peter Ferrara
Posted on Friday at Heartland.org is my new comprehensive study: The Obama Health Plan: Rationing, Higher Taxes, and Lower Quality Care. The study explains in full detail, based on the pending Congressional legislation, exactly how the Obama health plan would impose government rationing that will deny you health care, severely restrict your freedom of choice and control over your health care, raise, not lower, health costs, impose sharp tax increases that would leave America uncompetitive in the world economy, and increase federal spending, deficits and debt.
The rationing begins with the dominant public option government health insurance plan, which is authorized in the legislation to follow the practices of Medicare and Medicaid in sharply underpaying doctors and hospitals. Medicare pays doctors 20% below market rates, and hospitals 30% below market. Medicaid pays 30% to 40% less than Medicare.
This power to underpay medical bills is the most important reason the government public option health insurance plan will eventually drive out the private competitors, leaving you without the choice of keeping your current insurance plan. Any private plans that do manage to survive will be able to do so only by adopting the practice of paying only what the government plan pays. So the government will end up dictating all payments to health providers in any event.
Doctors and hospitals will consequently begin to restrict their care to fit what the government will pay. Their practices will shrink to avoid the more expensive medical services and treatments that the government payments will not sufficiently cover.
These underpayment practices in turn will have dramatic, powerful effects on investment in the health care industry. Investors are not going to finance acquisition of the latest, most advanced equipment and technologies with the government slashing compensation for the services such technologies provide. Investors are also not going to finance expanded or new hospital facilities or clinics, or even the full maintenance of existing ones.
The supply of doctors, surgeons and specialists will also decline, just when demand for their services is soaring under the Obama health plan giveaways. Obama repeatedly says that under his health reform plan if you like your doctor you will be able to keep him or her. But the real question is whether under his reform plan your doctor will be willing to keep you, when the government refuses to pay adequately for the health care services you want and need.
This is how the long waiting lines for diagnostics, surgery, and other referrals begin to develop. This is why in other countries with national health plans or socialized medicine, facilities seem old, aged, and deteriorated.
Vast new realms of possible, innovative, new health services and care opened up by modern science will lag unutilized. Drug companies will also cut back sharply on investment in new, cutting edge, restorative, painsaving, or lifesaving miracle drugs. Many people will suffer or die unnecessarily as a result.
A recent report from President Obama’s Council of Economic Advisors (CEA)[1], which he has touted as showing how his health plan would reduce health costs, elaborates even more explicit and comprehensive government rationing of health care.
The CEA report says 30% of American health care is waste, which government bureaucracy is going to eliminate under Obama’s health reforms. What is the difference between waste and the health care you want? Answer: a government bureaucrat.
The CEA says the government will reduce health costs by deciding for doctors and hospitals across the country what health care works and what doesn’t. Even worse, it will decide what health care is cost effective, which means the government will decide whether your health care is worth the cost, not you and your doctor. This will be enforced through the payments to doctors and hospitals. Those who follow the government’s dictates on your health care get paid, those that don’t don’t get paid.
These are some of the reasons why the public is now protesting so angrily against the Obama health plan in public forums all over the country, and why the polls show the public has turned in decisive opposition to the Obama health plan.
President Obama insists that if you like the health insurance you have today, you will be able to keep it. But under his health plan, if you have employer provided health insurance, that won’t be your choice, it will be your employer’s choice. Your employer will have every incentive to dump you into the so-called public option, government insurance plan, and pay an 8% payroll tax instead. If the employer’s work force averages $50,000 a year in wages, then the employer would only have to pay $4,000 per year per worker under the payroll tax, which would likely be less than what he is paying for your current health coverage.
[1] The President’s Council of Economic Advisors, The Economic Case for Health Reform, June 2, 2009
Peter Ferrara is Director of Entitlement and Budget Policy for the Institute for Policy Innovation, and General Counsel of the American Civil Rights Union. He served in the White House Office of Policy Development under President Reagan, and as Associate Deputy Attorney General of the United States under the first President Bush.
When we have to wonder where “OUR Representatives” are it’s time to replace them. They all have mouths but are evidently too afraid to come out and speak out. I’m disillusioned as hell with “OUR Representatives” and it’s time to find some that will work outside the closet.
But it's really great news that he's still breathing. Obama will need a Grim Reaper Czar. Who better to fill this spot than ole Dr. Death himself?
Leni
Indeed. He seems the perfect choice for one of Obama’s Czars.
And why do you want our spokesmen to please them anyway? Are they our moral superiors or something?
hey par, tell you what. Instead of telling us we need to be working out what to do, you are such an expert, how about telling us what to do, genius. You do realise Obama has mobilised his online supporters, unions and whatever else while you are PONDERING the situation. Heaven help us, I do believe you are one of these infamous, do nothing, lay low advising Republican strategists/consultants.
Being right doesn’t mean a damn thing if you lose.
Haha, “As a result of number 2 ...”.
Sheesh.
“Being right doesn’t mean a damn thing if you lose.”
You do sound like a Romney supporter to me Par. Loose morals and all that. Little belief in principles.
““Being right doesn’t mean a damn thing if you lose.”
You do sound like a Romney supporter to me Par. Loose morals and all that. Little belief in principles.”
I think you underestimate the consequences of what our healthcare system will be like if Obamacare is passed. There should be only one focus - how to stop it, and that requires dealing with the world as it actually is, not the way you would like it to be.
That is the end game isn’t it?”
I've heard (don't know how true it is) that in the late ‘60s our Left was advised by the Chinese Communists they would need to eliminate about 30 million Americans (hard-core resisters) to complete a full takeover. That might translate to 50 million today. Elimination by denial of care of selected individuals would be an efficient, bloodless, low-profile approach towards achieving that end.
Hey I understand what your saying and the information is available to any journalist which will take the time to do some research. Are they doing that? No they repeat the DNC talking points is what they do.
The fact is in their overpowering zeal to marginalize Sarah Palin they will be climbing over each other to report what she said, She knows that and is exactly why she stated it the way she did. So it will reach people who would never hear about death panel due to the media covering them up. Those peole know about them now and if a few look at the evidence then talk to their friends. Well hopefully you see where that goes, but if you think by being politically correct any Repub is going to get through the media shield you aren’t paying attention.
It’s a shame that your parents can be turned aside from rational thinking because the media has convinced them that Palin is a joke. I’m sure they think Rush is a joke as well. Maybe the dems could combine those two and say, ‘do you people really want to be led by the likes of Rush Limbaugh and Sarah Palin?’
That should do it for your folks. They’ll be back on the bandwagon before you know it.
Marked for later
“Hey I understand what your saying and the information is available to any journalist which will take the time to do some research. Are they doing that? No they repeat the DNC talking points is what they do.
The fact is in their overpowering zeal to marginalize Sarah Palin they will be climbing over each other to report what she said, She knows that and is exactly why she stated it the way she did. So it will reach people who would never hear about death panel due to the media covering them up. Those peole know about them now and if a few look at the evidence then talk to their friends. Well hopefully you see where that goes, but if you think by being politically correct any Repub is going to get through the media shield you aren’t paying attention.”
I understand your point and if your assumptions are true, that would be great. I think, though, that Palin’s message resonates with conservatives and that conservatives are already lined up against Obamacare. The question then becomes how do you get the independents and moderate democrats that you need to stop it on your side? In my opinion, Palin’s comments are unlikely to help in that regard - in fact they might hurt because the media has been so successful in demonizing her in their eyes.
why yes... I believe it would
The Obama administration is a truthful law abiding advocate for America and her people. What reason have they ever given us to believe they would not be fair arbiters of our healthcare? /sarc /puke
Now, the only thing that bothers me is if you do something as simple as angering your boss, you are punished financially. Seems like human nature to deny people you don't like services. hmmm?
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