Is Benedict in Favor of World Government?

First Things ^ | August 20, 2009 | Douglas A. Sylva

[B-Chan]

Whatever.

[Quix]

She’s a gem, for sure. However, she too marches to her own drum.

[B-Chan]

Don't judge them, Petronski. They think they're doing good.

Our job is not to argue or debate the Truth. The Truth is what it is -- the Faith as handed down to us by two thousand years of Tradition. Our job is to present that Truth, and to lovingly correct any errors of fact that may be propagated as truth. That being done, it's counterproductive to say more. Instead, let's pray for them. They need it. Imagine the burden of being your own personal Pope, on duty 24/7, a "church" of one, dependent solely upon one's own personal interpretation of King James' version of the Scripture that our Church gave them for comfort. No saints, no Mary, just themselves and a book of printed pages. How lonely and sad. Talk about a hell on earth!

The Protestant Heresy is almost dead. Like Arianism, it had its day, but it was always a house built upon sand. The Anglicans/Episcopalians are gone; the Presbyterians, Methodists, and Lutherans are going; and even the Baptists are crumbling, worn away by the flow of modernism and the corrosion of individual religion. As for the Evangelicals, the good and true among them are slowly but surely returning to the Church. The rest will continue to self-interpret and Pharisee along until the social structures that support them collapse. Then, with the wolves at the gates, they too will rush to the doors of St. Peter -- and those doors will open.

When it all comes rumbling down, the Church will be here. As BlackElk once said, "the Catholic Church has shoveled two thousand years of dirt upon the faces of its enemies"; the heresy of Martin Luther and John Calvin, and the self-centered hedonism of the Evangelical movement, are only the latest two bodies to bury. Heresy and schism comes and goes; the true Church abides.

[B-Chan]

[B-Chan]

[Quix]

Stuttering fingers. Fascinating.

Does that come from fingering so many rosaries so obsessively?

[Poe White Trash]

>>> No, I haven’t read Twain’s “The War Prayer.” Must look it up! Is this something he produced late in life? IIRC, his late years sadly were marked by darkness and depression. <<<

Yes, it was written about 1896-1897. Can’t find my edition of Twain in the “pile,” so I’m not sure exactly when. Supposedly prompted by the US intervention in the Philippines, but I can’t help but think that it was inspired by his disillusionment with the War of Southern Rebellion.

Here it is:

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_War_Prayer

[Quix]

MORE AMAZING JOKES
FROM THE MAGICSTERICAL!
Cute!
Though idolizing
A 1600 year old human structure
is plenty ugly.

[Poe White Trash]

Looks like B-chan wants to hi-jack the thread so that he can torpedo the discussion on _Caritas in veritate_.

Don’t take the bait!

[Quix]

Could be! LOL.

Thx.

[Petronski]

They think they're doing good.

I cannot read their minds. I can only know their fruits.

[TradicalRC]

Actually, I can think of few groups of people I despise more than paleocons and their ilk. I’m pro-immigration, pro free trade. I loathe anti-semites and racists — which is to say that I think Pat Buchanan is a stinker. You lost your bet.

Ah the subtle nuances of the neocon. Well you guys ran the Bush white house, so don't blame the paleos for That Mess.

Pat is niether a racist or an anti-Semite. Personally, I do not see why we need to involve ourselves in globalist intervention and make cannon fodder out of our citizens, but hey neocons love a borderless world, foreign intervention and bigger government. I love immigration and I hate the equation of illegals to immigrants: they are NOT the same.

[B-Chan]

Well, will you trust me regarding their motives? I used to be one of them. They think the Church is the Whore of Babylon and they’re trying to save us from it. I know, it’s stupid, but bear with them. Their intentions are good.

We’ve refuted their non-arguments point by point and it still isn’t enough, so let’s let them be. Like I said, we’re not here to be the best debaters on Earth (although I’ve regularly whipped the pants off many, many others like them here on FR over the years); we are here to be the most loving people on Earth.

There are many lurkers who read these type threads that will silently judge us my what we write here, so let’s be good examples of Christian charity. We’ve had our say, they’ve had theirs, nobody has changed their mind, so there’s no point in going on and on about it. The Truth is out there; all we can do is pray that our separated brethren come to know it, as we have.

[trisham]

I respect your point of view, but imho, the truth is always a goal worthy of pursuing.

[B-Chan]

There’s nothing left to discuss. I’ve thoroughly refuted each claim you guys have made, using words taken straight from the text. None of you has been able to formulate a reasoned reply. The discussion is therefore over. Chalk up another online victory for B-Chan.

[trisham]

Chalk up another online victory for B-Chan.

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And isn't that the truth? :)

[B-Chan]

And how shall we recognize the truth when we catch it? To do that, we'd need God Almighty, or at the very least an authority established by Him personally with the power to infallibly define the Truth. Too bad there is no such authority on earth OH WAIT THERE IS

[trisham]

:) There is indeed.

[Petronski]

We’ve had our say, they’ve had theirs...

When the example is our say about how salvation is attained v. their say about salvation is attained, well, I would agree with you.

We part company when the example is what THEY CLAIM the Catholic Church teaches about attaining salvation v. what the Catholic Church ACTUALLY DOES teach about attaining salvation.

[trisham]

We part company when the example is what THEY CLAIM the Catholic Church teaches about attaining salvation v. what the Catholic Church ACTUALLY DOES teach about attaining salvation.

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Agreed. Letting misinformation stand does not advance the understanding of lurkers or participants of these threads. It may even encourage misunderstanding.