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The Air Force Seeks the F-22's Low-Tech Alternative (bring back the Mustang?)
Time ^ | 8/27/2009 | Mark Thompson

Posted on 08/27/2009 7:17:59 AM PDT by markomalley

The Air Force spent years fighting to keep building the $350 million F-22 fighter, an airplane crammed with so much gee-whiz technology there's a law barring it from being sold to any other nation. But since no other nation is building such a plane to challenge it, the F-22 has become a costly investment with an uncertain payoff, and Defense Secretary Robert Gates just killed it. That sent an unmistakable message to the two new top Air Force officials Gates recently appointed, and now the service is seeking 100 slower, lower-flying and far cheaper airplanes — most likely prop-driven — that it can use to kill insurgents today and use to train local pilots — such as Afghans or Iraqis — tomorrow.

The list of requirements for what the Air Force is calling its Light Attack Armed Reconnaissance plane is fairly basic, and harkens back to the Vietnam-era A-1 Skyraider. It must be capable of flying 900-mile missions at up to 200 miles per hour (compared with up to 1500 mph for the F-22), including at night and poor weather. It will carry guns and rockets, along with a pair of 500-pound bombs, according to an Air Force solicitation issued last month. It will have to fly to and from dirt airfields where the only ground support is fuel. The its two pilots will have warning systems for enemy radars and missiles, an armored cockpit and self-sealing fuel tanks — and ejection seats if those protections fail. It should convert from an attack plane to a trainer by simply removing those weapons.

(Excerpt) Read more at time.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: aerospace; f22; gates; usaf
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That should make our enemies cringe, right?

Wonder how a 200 mph plane would stand up to surface-to-air missiles? /sarc

1 posted on 08/27/2009 7:17:59 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

...yawn. Gates is a twit.


2 posted on 08/27/2009 7:18:57 AM PDT by VaBthang4 (He Who Watches over Israel will Neither Slumber nor Sleep.)
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To: markomalley
Article starts out with blatant dishonesty, and goes downhill from there.

Par for the course over at Slime magazine, though.

3 posted on 08/27/2009 7:19:27 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: markomalley

Bring back the A-10 Warthog!


4 posted on 08/27/2009 7:20:52 AM PDT by SpeedRacer (Where's your records, B-HO? What are you hiding?)
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To: markomalley

I have no doubt there is a place in our military for prop driven planes but we should also have the cutting edge technology.

Anyone who thinks we should give enemies and potential enemies a level playing field is a moron.


5 posted on 08/27/2009 7:21:13 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: markomalley

6 posted on 08/27/2009 7:22:10 AM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: SpeedRacer

That is a very strange (and non-responsive) demand you just made.


7 posted on 08/27/2009 7:22:47 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: markomalley
Poor little Luddite!!
8 posted on 08/27/2009 7:23:09 AM PDT by org.whodat (Vote: Chuck De Vore in 2012.)
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To: SpeedRacer

I was thinking that the A-10 would fit the requirements. Might need some avaionics upgrades but for the most part already designed, built, battle tested and capable.


9 posted on 08/27/2009 7:23:33 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: markomalley
News flash -in an effort to cut Defense spending, Obama announced Chariots to replace M-1A1 Abrams Battle Tanks.
10 posted on 08/27/2009 7:23:37 AM PDT by Apercu ("A man's character is his fate" - Heraclitus)
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To: SpeedRacer
I was recently in the audience of a former F-16 driver now a Wart Hog Driver.

Tooling is gone, but a follow on to it would be sweet, I have some ideas, but that is just back of the envelope armchair aero-design and unfortunately may not go anywhere..

It is quite a machine.

11 posted on 08/27/2009 7:23:39 AM PDT by taildragger (Palin / Mulally 2012)
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To: SpeedRacer

Did the A-10 go anywhere?


12 posted on 08/27/2009 7:23:52 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: Constitution Day

Gotta love the A-10.


13 posted on 08/27/2009 7:25:42 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: SpeedRacer
Bring back the A-10 Warthog!

You can't. They closed Republic in 84. The people who designed and built it were dumped on the street. Actually, most of them retired to Florida. Nice, huh?

Bring back the Sandy in any case. That's what they're looking for.

14 posted on 08/27/2009 7:26:04 AM PDT by Regulator (Welcome to Zimbabwe! Now hand over your property)
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"The first squadron to use the A-10 went operational in October 1977. In total, 715 airplanes were produced, the last delivered in 1984"

"Cruise speed: 300 knots (340 mph, 560 km/h)"

15 posted on 08/27/2009 7:27:28 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Big Ears + Big Spending --> BigEarMarx, the man behind TOTUS)
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To: SpeedRacer

That’s what I was thinking. Just fire up the production lines for the A-10. Problem solved.


16 posted on 08/27/2009 7:27:37 AM PDT by quikdrw (Life is tough....it's even tougher if you are stupid.)
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To: Regulator
A-1 Skyraider AKA Sandy....


17 posted on 08/27/2009 7:29:32 AM PDT by Regulator (Welcome to Zimbabwe! Now hand over your property)
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To: quikdrw
Production tooling gone, however reverse engineering with CAD/CAM/FEA and laser scanning maybe more doable than we imagine.
18 posted on 08/27/2009 7:30:39 AM PDT by taildragger (Palin / Mulally 2012)
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Just fire up the production lines for the A-10

Oh yeah. No problem. Let's see....

The factory is a crumbling hulk in Bethpage, gone for 25 years...

The tooling, the mylars, the analysis, everything, gone gone gone (well, Northrop and the AF have the docs, allegedly)

And the people, who are absolutely the most important component, cuz they know where the bodies are buried in the design...dumped. Gone. Dead (really).

Good luck. Seeya in 5 years. And that's just to start up.

19 posted on 08/27/2009 7:33:04 AM PDT by Regulator (Welcome to Zimbabwe! Now hand over your property)
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since no other nation is building such a plane to challenge it

(clears throat, raises hand) "How about the new MIG-35?"


20 posted on 08/27/2009 7:33:05 AM PDT by Dumpster Baby (Bacon,smokless powder,and boobs are proof that God loves us.)
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