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Who torpedoed Fred Thompson in Iowa?
Vanity | 27 August 2009 | Question

Posted on 08/27/2009 10:21:54 AM PDT by TexasGunRunner

Back during the 2008 Iowa Cacuses, a rumor was circulated the night before that Fred Thompson was going to pull out of the race.

During an interview the next day, Thompson said he knew who was behind it, but refused to discuss beyond saying it cost him "a couple of points".

I understand during the election, nobody was going to admit who did it, certainly not until after November. OK, November came, went, and now the socialist-in-chief has everybody distracted, so, I ask:

who did it?


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; Miscellaneous; Politics/Elections; US: Iowa
KEYWORDS: 2008rncconvention; chat; election; fredthompson; iowa; romney; romney4obama; romneyantigop; romneyantipalin; romneyantithompson; sniff19; trick
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I'm looking for insider information here, not just wild speculation (although that could be fun).

Is it in any way tied to the "McCain campaign insiders" who provided lies and misinformation to Vanity Fair for the hit piece on Sarah Palin?

Is this person or persons guilty of any other intra-party/conservative movement dirty tricks and shananigans?

I want to know because life is much safer when you know who you enemies are before they strike.

Thanks,

1 posted on 08/27/2009 10:21:55 AM PDT by TexasGunRunner
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To: TexasGunRunner

Uhh Fred. He NEVER ran a REAL campaign.


2 posted on 08/27/2009 10:23:38 AM PDT by US Navy Vet
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To: TexasGunRunner

Fred was my pick, but unfortunately Fred did not share my enthusiasm.


3 posted on 08/27/2009 10:23:39 AM PDT by Gene Eric
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To: TexasGunRunner

Who cares anymore? Talk about somebody just “cutting and running” from running!!! Phhhhhhhht!!!


4 posted on 08/27/2009 10:24:05 AM PDT by SierraWasp (Obama Targets Medicare Advantage Plans (Seniors Are Getting Screwed!!!))
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To: TexasGunRunner
Who torpedoed Fred Thompson in Iowa?

Safe to say Fred.

5 posted on 08/27/2009 10:24:21 AM PDT by fso301
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To: TexasGunRunner
This is wild speculation!

I don't know for sure but sounds like something Romney would do. He's vicious and power-mad behind that pretty-boy smile.

6 posted on 08/27/2009 10:25:07 AM PDT by rvoitier ("The law allows what honor forbids." -- C. C. Colton)
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To: TexasGunRunner

Fred was my guy. *sigh*


7 posted on 08/27/2009 10:25:21 AM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (“During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.” -George Orwell)
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To: TexasGunRunner
Yup Fred torpedoed Fred...

Nothing else to it...

8 posted on 08/27/2009 10:25:51 AM PDT by lovecraft (Specialization is for insects.)
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To: TexasGunRunner
Thompson: Purposeful disrupter.

9 posted on 08/27/2009 10:26:33 AM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: TexasGunRunner; jellybean; Politicalmom

It wasn’t the Democrats.


10 posted on 08/27/2009 10:26:33 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: US Navy Vet
Uhh Fred. He NEVER ran a REAL campaign.

I always thought he was too tired to start one. His voice always has a certain lack of enthusiasm and always made me feel like taking a nap.

11 posted on 08/27/2009 10:27:28 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: TexasGunRunner

His wife.


12 posted on 08/27/2009 10:27:42 AM PDT by Toespi
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To: TexasGunRunner
Who torpedoed Fred Thompson in Iowa?

Fred, more than anybody else. He seemed unwilling to make the effort.

So far as your rumor is concerned, the smart money was on the Romney campaign.

13 posted on 08/27/2009 10:28:19 AM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: TexasGunRunner

We can only guess at this point but Romney was the likely suspect at the time and still is.


14 posted on 08/27/2009 10:28:56 AM PDT by ansel12 (Romney (guns)"instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people")
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

I hoped Mr. Thompson could do it but he never got his engines off idle.


15 posted on 08/27/2009 10:29:22 AM PDT by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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To: TexasGunRunner

Romney and his loving sycophants both on the ground and in the media.

The media created the nonsense that he was lazy and wasn’t trying, when if you looked at his schedule, he was actually doing more than any of the others. Hell, he was doing more than McCain did in a lot of the GE campaign. The media meme about laziness stuck though. Even a lot of folks here bought into it, as you can see in the responses on this thread.

The Romney people were willing to do whatever they had to do to keep us divided enough for their guy to win. They saw Fred as a huge threat. They threw everything at the wall and the lazy thing is what stuck.

Tis a shame, but it’s all in the past now.

Queue Romney apologists in 3...2...1...


16 posted on 08/27/2009 10:32:29 AM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (The worst is behind us. Unfortunately it is really well endowed.)
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To: TexasGunRunner

As I recall FDT pulled out of the Presidential racd exactly three days after DLH did. Imagine that!


17 posted on 08/27/2009 10:33:25 AM PDT by Paperdoll (DL Hunter/S Palin or S Palin/DL Hunter 2012)
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To: okie01

look at how McCains people went after Palin after the election. They were just as capable although for all his other faults i don’t believe McCain himself would condone it.


18 posted on 08/27/2009 10:33:28 AM PDT by wiggen (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WayzmX0WQvg)
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To: rvoitier

“I don’t know for sure but sounds like something Romney would do. He’s vicious and power-mad behind that pretty-boy smile. “

I think it was you.

Hate will get you nowhere.


19 posted on 08/27/2009 10:33:53 AM PDT by bassfishing
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To: US Navy Vet; Gene Eric; SierraWasp; fso301; lovecraft; I see my hands; Dixie Yooper; Toespi; ...

SIGH...this is why FR can be so exasperating at times...

Look, this isn’t about Fred. Yes, he ran a poor campaign, blah, blah, blah... that’s not the point.

As I said in my question, there was a rumor spread around the night before the caucus that he was going to quit. He didn’t start the rumor, somebody else did.

I would like to know who.

Why? ...because (again as I stated above), I’d really like to know who my enemies are and dirty tricks like that suggest other serious character flaws.

Was it Romney, Huckabee, McCain, somebody in their camps, the candidates themselves, somebody else with an axe to grind against Fred...

Given the “insider trashing” of Sarah Palin, I am also curious if it is the same people. Again, I’d like to know.

While they can’t be discussed at the time, we can safely discuss them now.


20 posted on 08/27/2009 10:37:52 AM PDT by TexasGunRunner (I'm in Iraq, I'm not going anywhere, deal with it.)
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To: TexasGunRunner

Speculation - same group that tried to destroy Gov Palin. (Not JM)


21 posted on 08/27/2009 10:38:46 AM PDT by svcw (Legalism reinforces self-righteousness - it communicates to you the good news of your own goodness)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

OK, that makes sense and jives with popular media tale being pushed...it also jives with the “insider” attacks on Palin coming from former Romney supporters in the McCain campaign.

Other then pretty good reasoning, are you privy to anything to independently support this theory?

Thanks,


22 posted on 08/27/2009 10:41:02 AM PDT by TexasGunRunner (I'm in Iraq, I'm not going anywhere, deal with it.)
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To: US Navy Vet
I agree with you. Further, after McCain clenched the nomination, Fred's web site had Mission Accomplished plastered on it. Fred ran to guard McCain from conservatives. All the empirical evidence points that way. Making it is hard to conclude otherwise.
23 posted on 08/27/2009 10:41:11 AM PDT by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: bassfishing

I don’t think Romney or Huckabee had anything to do with Fred quitting. I imagine they just looked at Fred and said “Wow, that is all he’s got?” Fred was my man. I waited and waited for him to get in the race - and after he finally announced I waited and awaited for him to get in the race. Fred, God Bless him, was the Al Capone’s Vault of presidential candidates.


24 posted on 08/27/2009 10:41:29 AM PDT by azcap (Who is John Galt ? www.conservativeshirts.com)
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Yes maybe Fred did get into the race too late but when do you start? 1, 2, 3, 4 years before the Iowa Caucus? Do you move to Iowa and praise the wonders of Ethanol for a year?

Once Fred did get into the race he spent every minute touring the state. As soon as that was over he got on the bus to South Carolina and spent every minute campaigning there. In the debates he questioned Global Warming while the others didn't until he spoke up. So spare me the lazy talking point. Try to think on your own.

If you want to fix something fix the way our candidate is selected. By the time you get to the Republican only primary states the MSM has already picked our candidate. If the RNC pulls the same crap next time they can stick their RINO where the sun don't shine. I'm writing in who I want. I voted for the biggest RINO of all. I won't again. Maybe I'll write in Fred if Palin isn't on the ballot.

25 posted on 08/27/2009 10:41:38 AM PDT by McGruff
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To: TexasGunRunner

Fwed is fixin’ to surge.


26 posted on 08/27/2009 10:41:48 AM PDT by MARTIAL MONK
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To: TexasGunRunner

Let’s face it the GOP by in large in 2008 ran a SHITTY campaign from start to finish(Iowa, NH to election day) Sarah was the ONLY bright spot. We definatly ran our scrubs and Second teamers. Bush’s unpopularity did not help either.


27 posted on 08/27/2009 10:42:04 AM PDT by US Navy Vet
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To: svcw
Speculation - same group that tried to destroy Gov Palin. (Not JM)

Makes perfect sense. They have a penchant for going after REAL conservatives.

28 posted on 08/27/2009 10:43:38 AM PDT by American_Centurion (No, I don't trust the government to automatically do the right thing.)
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To: Nuc1
Fred ran to guard McCain from conservatives. All the empirical evidence points that way. Making it is hard to conclude otherwise.

That is precisely what took place.

29 posted on 08/27/2009 10:44:03 AM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: TexasGunRunner
With all the dirty tricks that came out of Obama and Hillary's camps, I wouldn't be surprised if one of them did it just to further water down the opposition party's pitiful pool of candidates. Then there's the wonderful media, always ready to make news when there isn't any...
30 posted on 08/27/2009 10:44:28 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: TexasGunRunner

Thompson did.


31 posted on 08/27/2009 10:44:30 AM PDT by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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To: Paperdoll

OK, so Duncan Hunter (an awesome person who I admire greatly) stayed in the race too long. What does that have to do with the question?

I’m sure you’re not accusing Hunter of sabotaging Thompson, perhaps you are trying to imply Thompson sabotaged Hunter?

Whatever, I can’t guess what you meant...how about just writing it out directly. I promise not to repeat any of it at your senate confirmation hearings.


32 posted on 08/27/2009 10:45:30 AM PDT by TexasGunRunner (I'm in Iraq, I'm not going anywhere, deal with it.)
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To: McGruff
By the time you get to the Republican only primary states the MSM has already picked our candidate.

Happened to me too,my primary vote had no affect on the presidential election.

If the party wants support, especially money,they had better find a way to make these primaries closed or on the same day.

33 posted on 08/27/2009 10:45:44 AM PDT by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing.....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: Nuc1

I doubt that...some of Fred’s best zingers and philosophical outakes were directly at McCain.

Whatever, he didn’t start the rumor.


34 posted on 08/27/2009 10:47:35 AM PDT by TexasGunRunner (I'm in Iraq, I'm not going anywhere, deal with it.)
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To: svcw
Speculation - same group that tried to destroy Gov Palin. (Not JM)

IMO, that's a very good speculation. Thompson would've been extremely hesitant to say anything which would hurt McCain's chances. Had it been Romney, Giuliani or Huckabee, or anyone involved with them, I think Fred would've called them out.

35 posted on 08/27/2009 10:47:49 AM PDT by Charles Martel (NRA Lifetime Member since 1984; TSRA rookie)
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To: US Navy Vet

The GOP lineup for 2008 amounted to a bunch of has-beens and never-will-bes. Let’s hope they don’t make that same mistake in 2012.


36 posted on 08/27/2009 10:48:31 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: All

Unfortunately, Thompson put a bullet in his own campaign. He never really seemed to want it and I got the sense his wife was really the one who wanted him to be POTUS.


37 posted on 08/27/2009 10:49:45 AM PDT by WillVoteForFood
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To: azcap

Dude, did you even bother to read the post?

This isn’t about his quitting. This was about the rumor he was going to quit.

If you, being the big fan you were, remember, he went on to South Carolina.

Why is it so difficult for people to read a sentence or two?


38 posted on 08/27/2009 10:50:09 AM PDT by TexasGunRunner (I'm in Iraq, I'm not going anywhere, deal with it.)
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To: Gene Eric

That’s a good way of putting it. That sums up my feelings perfectly.


39 posted on 08/27/2009 10:50:37 AM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (All this Hopium is making me get all wee wee'd up.)
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To: McGruff

Great...I agree with everything you just wrote...it was beautiful

...BUT do you know WHO PLAYED THE FRIGGIN DIRTY TRICK ON HIM in Iowa!!!!!!!!!!!!!

arrrrgghghhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!


40 posted on 08/27/2009 10:52:25 AM PDT by TexasGunRunner (I'm in Iraq, I'm not going anywhere, deal with it.)
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To: TexasGunRunner

My first speculation would be Romney, his campaign torpoedoed Huckaby with false allegations after Huckaby won Iowa.

It would be consistent if they thought Fred was a formidable candidate to torpoedoe him with falsehoods as well.


41 posted on 08/27/2009 10:53:17 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: TexasGunRunner
"I am not consumed by personal ambition. I will not be devastated if I don't do it. I'm not particularly interested in running for president."

- Fred Thompson, 12/29/2007

...and the Iowa Caucus took place just five days later, on January 3, 2008.

42 posted on 08/27/2009 10:53:39 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (One man, alone! Betrayed by the country he loves, now its last hope in their final hour of need!)
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To: TexasGunRunner
Romney has never had a problem with torpedoing fellow GOPers. Just look at what he did to Steve Forbes in 1996.

Gee, doesn't that language echo the type of class warfare arguments that Ted Kennedy et al. were so good at employing? Never trust Mitt Romney.

43 posted on 08/27/2009 10:53:44 AM PDT by ReagansRaiders (Bob McDonnell for (Virginia) Governor - 2009)
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To: TexasGunRunner

No, sorry. Just my opinion from observing the action over time.


44 posted on 08/27/2009 10:53:58 AM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (The worst is behind us. Unfortunately it is really well endowed.)
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To: Dixie Yooper

Fred’s talk show is good for naps, too


45 posted on 08/27/2009 10:55:00 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: MilspecRob
Is there anybody on Free Republic that can read? Please. I asked a simple and very specific question about a very specific event. I'm crying here...I just want to know who played the dirty trick...not whether he was a canard (I seriously doubt he was), not statements about GOP ineptness, nothing about his timing...this ISN'T FRIGGIN ABOUT FRED...it is about the person or persons who spread a false rumor the day before the Iowa caucuses. That person is a dirty rat b@$+@rd and I want to know who they are. Thanks,
46 posted on 08/27/2009 10:56:43 AM PDT by TexasGunRunner (I'm in Iraq, I'm not going anywhere, deal with it.)
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To: TexasGunRunner

I dunno why, but I really liked Fred. I was hoping to vote for him in the primary, but he was basically out by the time Texas got to vote.


47 posted on 08/27/2009 10:57:19 AM PDT by Tolsti2
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To: TexasGunRunner

SIGH...this is why FR can be so exasperating at times...

You are looking for insider information on who did what to whom.

Problem is, you’re asking a bunch of folks on an anonymous internet board. We’re pretty much all, by definition, OUTSIDERS.

All you’re going to get is theories, guesses, and suppositions based on previous biases.

I’m not saying you have no right to ask the question. I’m just saying you shouldn’t be surprised or annoyed by the answers you get.


48 posted on 08/27/2009 10:58:03 AM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (All this Hopium is making me get all wee wee'd up.)
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To: Alex Murphy

Again, not what I am talking about.

The night before the Politico and several other MSM reporters said they were told Fred was going to formally withdraw from the race. Obviously he didn’t and even enjoyed a (very slight) bump in South Carolina.

Perhaps I dreamed it...obviously nobody really knows.


49 posted on 08/27/2009 11:00:46 AM PDT by TexasGunRunner (I'm in Iraq, I'm not going anywhere, deal with it.)
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To: TexasGunRunner

SOMEONE somewhere knows.

But I highly doubt anyone HERE knows.

It’s one thing to ask good questions. It’s another thing to ask them of the right people.


50 posted on 08/27/2009 11:02:42 AM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (All this Hopium is making me get all wee wee'd up.)
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