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Pseudo-science Attacks Irreducible Complexity (that is, the Temple of Darwin attacks REAL SCIENCE)
ICR ^ | September 10, 2009 | Brian Thomas, M.S.

Posted on 09/10/2009 8:45:31 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts

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To: DungeonMaster
Ironic. Imagine an evolutionist saying "so help me God".

Nothing ironic about it. There's no contradiction between a belief in God and a belief in evolution.

God could have created the universe to evolve, couldn't He ?

41 posted on 09/10/2009 10:30:15 AM PDT by jimt
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To: jimt

If “creationism seems possible”, how can you turn around and rule out biblical creation in the same breath? Is there some sort of partisan prejudice driving you to seemingly contradict yourself, or do you have evidence that biblical creation is not true?


42 posted on 09/10/2009 10:31:11 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: xcamel
How about your bonafdes for a change, or are you one of the FR “secret scientists” ?

Bachelor of science in chemistry, Truman State University, which included undergraduate research involving the synthesis of N-methylbenzohydroxamates and the subsequent investigation of the effect of substituent variation on their nucleophilicity via the α-effect by electrochemical and NMR methods, and the correlation with single electron characteristics in reaction transition state.

Master of science in chemistry with an emphasis on synthetic organic chemistry, University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill; completed my thesis on the synthesis, characterisation, and structural interpretation of novel 1,3,4-oxadiazole bearing bent-core liquid crystals.

Have worked in the pharmaceutical industry since grad school, working on a wide range of research projects that include the synthesis and conjugation of insulin-bearing PEG conjugates; the development and synthesis of novel small molecule pharmaceutical candidates; the development of differential scanning calorimetry methods for the testing of pharmaceutical compounds; and the development of large-scale column chromatographic methods for the purification of proteinaceous vaccine components derived from genetically engineered microorganisms.

And, I am able to spell the phrase "bona fides."

So what are yours?

43 posted on 09/10/2009 10:35:07 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (We bury Democrats face down so that when they scratch, they get closer to home.)
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To: SampleMan
If we went to Mars and found a threaded metal bolt

Of course that begs the question, "Have we found one?" Common sense runs into reality.

An arch is a beautiful thing, mechanically strong and efficient, and removing any one part of it causes it to collapse. If I were so inclined I would say it was designed upon seeing one, yet we see such arches created by natural processes. My conclusion is that complexity is often in the eye of the beholder.

44 posted on 09/10/2009 10:36:36 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: SampleMan
One trillionth in a trillion chance? No problem.

Would be interesting, except that the theory doesn't put forth evolution as completely random.

45 posted on 09/10/2009 10:40:13 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: GodGunsGuts

LOL. Look in the mirror.


46 posted on 09/10/2009 10:41:36 AM PDT by Wacka
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

And what is your scientific background?


47 posted on 09/10/2009 10:43:56 AM PDT by Wacka
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To: xcamel

“Please cite who [quote] FreeRepublic “scientists” [unquote] might be.”

To who, then, did you address your warning and what was your fear?


48 posted on 09/10/2009 10:44:41 AM PDT by Leonard210 (Tagline? We don't need no stinkin' tagline.)
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To: Wacka; Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

I believe he did in post#43. Mine is available in my bio page.


49 posted on 09/10/2009 10:46:13 AM PDT by FormerRep
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To: Wacka

Sorry, didn’t read your post above. So your an organic chmist, not a biologist. Just as I don’t know squat about what you work on, you don’t know squat about cell biology.


50 posted on 09/10/2009 10:48:24 AM PDT by Wacka
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To: Wacka
Just as I don’t know squat about what you work on, you don’t know squat about cell biology.

While I certainly find it plausible that you don't know squat about what I work on, you would be incorrect in assuming that I don't know anything about cell biology. Especially since my present position deals with GM microorganisms.

51 posted on 09/10/2009 10:54:35 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (We bury Democrats face down so that when they scratch, they get closer to home.)
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To: DungeonMaster
Ironic. Imagine an evolutionist saying "so help me God".

No problem. Most evolutionary scientists believe in God.

52 posted on 09/10/2009 10:55:21 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat
If I were so inclined I would say it was designed upon seeing one, yet we see such arches created by natural processes.

I've never seen such an arch naturally created and neither have you. There are cut outs in rock, but that is hardly an arched structure of independent aligned stones dependent upon a perfectly place keystone. Manmade arches are supported during construction by other bracing, precisely because the parts won't stay in place until they are all in position. What would you conclude upon seeing the equivalent of the Arch de Triumph on Mars? That it was naturally occurring? Its statistically impossible to disprove.

53 posted on 09/10/2009 10:57:33 AM PDT by SampleMan (Socialism enslaves you & kills your soul.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

GGG -

I have some serious questions for true ID’ers. I’ve asked them on other ID threads but everyone seems to point back to biblical creation rather than sticking to “true” ID.

Do you know of any here?? Someone who will explain things from an ID perspective and not interject phrases like “Before the Fall,” or “God?”


54 posted on 09/10/2009 10:58:40 AM PDT by whattajoke (Let's keep Conservatism real.)
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To: org.whodat
So we found part of one of the crashed missions. Next!!!

I forgot to mention that it was found inside of 2 million year old sedimentary rock.

55 posted on 09/10/2009 10:58:50 AM PDT by SampleMan (Socialism enslaves you & kills your soul.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

But, but, you don’t have a Ph.D.! Kent Hovind has one, so he’s more believable.


56 posted on 09/10/2009 10:58:57 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: SampleMan

There are numerous natural arches formed by the subsurface weathering of the strata, collapsed caves or sinkholes which leave the more solid ridge intact. Google up some natural arches and you’ll find some great photos.


57 posted on 09/10/2009 11:02:02 AM PDT by FormerRep
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To: antiRepublicrat
But, but, you don’t have a Ph.D.! Kent Hovind has one, so he’s more believable.

Yeah, I know, it's my fault for being suckered into the job market at a time when it was uber-hot.

58 posted on 09/10/2009 11:04:17 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (We bury Democrats face down so that when they scratch, they get closer to home.)
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To: antiRepublicrat; Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Gaah! Even though you said it in jest the old value argument of MS vs PhD is still irksome. I think TQC will verify that we of the Masters level do as much of the physical, mental and report/grant/budget writing as a PhD. The only functional difference is the starting salary that a dissertation can earn you over our “poor misunderstood” thesis.


59 posted on 09/10/2009 11:05:58 AM PDT by FormerRep
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To: FormerRep
There are numerous natural arches formed by the subsurface weathering of the strata, collapsed caves or sinkholes which leave the more solid ridge intact.

True....but all the same, I think there's a bit more complexity involved in a manufactured archway than there is in a naturally-occurring one. Complexity involves more than just surface appearance.

60 posted on 09/10/2009 11:06:47 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (We bury Democrats face down so that when they scratch, they get closer to home.)
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