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60 Years After Revolution, Mao's Popularity Surges in China
FoxNews.com ^ | October 05, 2009 | Dana Lewis

Posted on 10/05/2009 8:54:04 PM PDT by ETL

Edited on 10/05/2009 8:59:50 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]


Residents hold a photo of Mao Zedong
in China's Sichuan province, Thursday,
Oct 1 [2009]

Mao, the leader of China from the Chinese Revolutoon [should be "Revolution"] in 1949 until his death in 1976, has made a comeback in recent years. And it's not only in Laurence Brahm's trendy Beijing restaurant, the Red Capital Club.

Ironically, Mao — who railed against capitalism — is now so popular that he has become a source of immense capital income across China. Mao's face is ever-present among souvenir vendors; he's on T-shirts, matches, even a revolutionary Mao alarm clock. And now, he's on the big screen.

Mao's status as the founder of modern day China is celebrated in a new state-sponsored film starring 200 of the country's biggest actors. In the film, Mao is depicted as the caring father of the nation, a leader who loves his soldiers and citizens. The filmmakers make few references to Mao's brutality, glossing over policies and political purges that resulted in the deaths of 40 to 70 million of his people.


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Mao Takes Manhattan: Empire State Building Goes Red and Yellow for China
September 30, 2009

To celebrate the 60th anniversary of the People's Republic of China under Communist rule and Mao's 1949 revolution, the Chinese will hold a military parade in Beijing on Thursday of unparalleled size -- 5,000 soldiers, 43,000 fireworks and a display of 52 new weapons -- followed by a civilian parade of 100,000 marchers and 60 floats, many chanting new nationalistic mantras coined by the Chinese government for the occasion.

For a nation that worships Mao, and the path of development and prosperity the Chinese people believe he charted, nothing less would do to commemorate its 60th anniversary.

But when it comes to the commemoration of China's 60th anniversary in the U.S., perhaps we could -- and should -- expect a little less.

Wednesday night in New York City, the Empire State Building will illumine its familiar spire with red and yellow lights in honor of Communist China. The Communism-themed color scheme will stay lit through Thursday night, much to the delight of China's consular officials, who were on hand for a ceremony in the lobby of the iconic building Wednesday morning, and to the acute dismay of the dozen or so protesters outside, and to many Americans who question whether honoring China's Communist revolution here is at all appropriate.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-flumenbaum/empire-state-building-goe_b_305122.html
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Empire State Building Goes Red for Communist China, Sparking Protest
September 30, 2009


Sept. 30: The Empire State Building lit in red and yellow to honor the 60th anniversary of the founding of the People's Republic of China.

NEW YORK — New York is seeing red over the decision to turn the city's highest beacon — and one of America's symbols for free enterprise — into a shining monument honoring China's communist revolution Wednesday night.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,557823,00.html?mep
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Mao Tse-Tung

AKA Chairman Mao, AKA 'The Great Helmsman'. (Tse-Tung can also be spelt Zedong. Translated the name means 'To Shine on the East'.)

Country: China

Kill tally: 14 to 20 million deaths from starvation during the 'Great Leap Forward'. Tens of thousands killed and millions of lives ruined during the 'Cultural Revolution'.

http://www.moreorless.au.com/killers/mao.html

1 posted on 10/05/2009 8:54:06 PM PDT by ETL
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To: ETL

It’s “surging” here in America too! Communism and fascism is chic these days. Especially with the college kids.


2 posted on 10/05/2009 8:57:17 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (America! We're spending our grandchildren's inheritance!)
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To: ETL

He’s allways been popular with the American left.


3 posted on 10/05/2009 8:58:11 PM PDT by Crim
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To: ETL

The “great throw the people under the bus” movement.


4 posted on 10/05/2009 8:58:28 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (ACORN: Absolute Criminal Organization of Reprobate Nuisances)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
Millions More Movement rally
Washington D.C., October 15, 2005
Louis Farrakhan speech

Louis Farrakhan, at the Millions More Movement rally in DC, Oct 15, 2005: "...what Mao Tse Tung did was, he went to the cultural community, and they [Farrakhan spreads his arms beneficently] accepted his idea."... "Mao Tse Tung ... had a billion people whose lives he had to transform."..."the idea of Mao Tse Tung became the idea of a billion people, and China became a world power on the base of the culture and the arts community. If we had a ministry of art and culture in every city we'd create this movement [in the U.S.]."
Source: http://thedrunkablog.blogspot.com/2005/10/communist-plot-noted.html
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From Louis Farrakhan's "Nation Of Islam" website, FinalCall.com...
Re: Millions More Movement rally, Oct 15, 2005:

Unity generates power to change reality
By the Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan

"The time has never been more ripe for a strategic relationship between the Black, Brown, Native American and the poor of this nation and the world."

"We need a Ministry of Defense. Our young men are born soldiers, but they are in the wrong war. They are fighting a war in the streets of America against each other, or they are fighting an unjust war overseas in Afghanistan and Iraq. We need to bring our boys home and put them into the Ministry of Defense, so we can defend our communities, rather than destroy our communities.

We need a Ministry of Art and Culture. We applaud the hip hop community, the leaders of young people all over the world, but I want the young generation of artists to know there is a bigger purpose for art and culture than popping our fingers and shaking our backsides. Mao Tse Tung, throughout his long march to conquer China, had a billion people whose lives he had to transform. Many of them were victims of opium, drugs and prostitution, like we are. But Mao Tse Tung went to the cultural community and they accepted his idea. Then, through song, dance, poetry, drama, documentaries, movies and books, the idea of Mao Tse Tung became the idea of a billion people. China became a world power on the base of culture and the artistic community. If we had a Ministry of Art and Culture in every city, [we'd] create this movement [in the U.S.], we could say to our young people, “What is the idea of the Time and are you reflecting that idea in your songs, dance and music?

We need a Ministry of Trade and Commerce. Do you think that a Millions More Movement should not be involved in the development of Africa, the Caribbean and Central America? ... we need a Ministry of Trade and Commerce that can link the struggle here with Africa and the Caribbean, Central and South America.

Source: FinalCall.com
This is Farrakhan's own "Nation Of Islam" website
http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/article_4328.shtml

Note: should the original page mysteriously vanish, try this linked cache form:
http://74.6.239.67/search/cache?ei=UTF-8&p=%22We+need+a+Ministry+of+Defense.+Our+young+men+are+born+soldiers%2C+but+they+are+in+the+wrong+war.%22%22mao%22&fr=moz2&u=www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/article_4328.shtml&w=%22we+need+a+ministry+of+defense+our+young+men+are+born+soldiers+but+they+are+in+the+wrong+war%22+mao&d=A4xrG52uSSxU&icp=1&.intl=us
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Louis Farrakhan, Santiago de Cuba, February, 1998: "There is not a member of the black masses in the United States who is not proud of the example set by Cuba and its revolution, with Comandante Fidel at its head"
Source: http://www.fiu.edu/~fcf/farakhan21898.html#says
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"Minister Farrakhan and his delegation met privately with President Fidel Castro of Cuba."
http://www.finalcall.com/media/cuba/
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Farrakhan hails Obama as 'hope of entire world'

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Louis Farrakhan, at the annual Saviours' Day celebration in Chicago, Feb. 25, 2008: "This young man is the hope of the entire world that America will change and be made better"..."If you look at Barack Obama's audiences and look at the effect of his words, those people are being transformed."
Source: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23333598/

Video of Farrakhan's Obama endorsement at the above 'annual Saviours' Day celebration in Chicago, Feb. 25, 2008'. Hear him (Farrakhan) call Obama "The Messiah" And speak of "universal change":
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=farrakhan+messiah+obama&aq=0&oq=Farrakhan+messiah

5 posted on 10/05/2009 8:58:28 PM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: All
From Amazon.com...

Pocket Obama (Paperback)
by The Editors of History Company (Author)

Editorial Reviews
Product Description

This is the little blue book that right-wing partisans love to hate. Printed in a size that easily fits into pocket or purse, POCKET OBAMA is an anthology of quotations borrowed from Barack Obama's speeches and writings, intended to keep the momentum going for those inspired by his message of hope and change. The portable book serves as a reminder of the remarkable ability of this man to move people with his words, a primer for readers who want to examine the substance of his thought and reflect on the next great chapter in the American story. His captivating oratory has earned comparisons to John F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King, and this collection presents words that catapulted his remarkable rise to the American Presidency and set a true course for the future. Includes themes of democracy, politics, war, terrorism, race, community, jurisprudence, faith, personal responsibility, national identity, and above all, his hoped-for vision of a new America. POCKET OBAMA is essential reading as we pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off, and begin the work of remaking America.

Pocket Obama (Paperback):
http://www.amazon.com/Pocket-Obama-Editors-History-Company/dp/0978736842
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Obama’s Little Blue Book and the Egg of Power
By Michelle Malkin, January 26, 2009

Tons of people have e-mailed about the Little Blue Book of Obama sayings that a firm called the History Company is hawking on its website. Yes, they really are selling them in 10-packs for $49.50 — and yes, the resemblance to Mao’s Little Red Book is striking. Weirdly, “Pocket Obama” has a plain blank cover and smacks of a gag — especially the last line [it was not a gag -etl]:

"Printed in a size that easily fits into pocket or purse, this book is an anthology of quotations borrowed from Barack Obama’s speeches and writings. POCKET OBAMA serves as a reminder of the amazing power of oratory and the remarkable ability of this man to move people with his words. His superb and captivating oratory style has earned comparisons to John F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King, and this historic collection presents words that catapulted his remarkable rise to the American Presidency. It is an unofficial requirement for every citizen to own, to read, and to carry this book at all times-The History Company [the book is no longer listed on the History Company's web site -etl].

http://michellemalkin.com/2009/01/26/obamas-little-blue-book-and-the-egg-of-power/
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"From May 1966, student members of the Communist Party were encouraged to carry copies of Mao's Little Red Book of quotations. Acting under Mao's leadership, these "Red Guards" used his quotations in their mission to weed out intellectuals. With themes such as Correcting Mistaken Ideas and All Reactionaries are Paper Tigers, the quotations became the standard by which all revolutionary efforts were judged."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/special_report/1999/09/99/china_50/little.htm
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Yahoo search results for "Pocket Obama":
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=%22pocket+obama%22&ei=UTF-8&fr=moz35

6 posted on 10/05/2009 8:59:45 PM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

I knew a guy who wore an old USSR T shirt, depicting the vast range of that empire over the globe, because he thought it was cool. I asked him what he thought of the massive murders that were involved in the establishment and upkeep of that regime. I never saw him wear the shirt again.


7 posted on 10/05/2009 9:01:33 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (ACORN: Absolute Criminal Organization of Reprobate Nuisances)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

It was a big mistake for us to stop teaching history in school and replace what we had with revisionist history written by communists.


8 posted on 10/05/2009 9:03:49 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (America! We're spending our grandchildren's inheritance!)
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To: Crim

He and Stalin were popular with any Left that didn’t live in Red Chine or the Soviet Union...


9 posted on 10/05/2009 9:07:57 PM PDT by Carlos Martillo II (Guernica was a work of art...and I don't mean the painting.)
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To: Carlos Martillo II
"'The Black Book of Communism,'; a scholarly accounting of communism’s crimes, counts about 94 million murdered by the supposed champions of the common man (20 million for the Soviets alone), and some say that number is too low."

Forgetting the Evils of Communism: The amnesia bites a little deeper
By Jonah Goldberg, August 2008:
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZmY0MjI1MDgyYjg1M2UwNDMzMTk2Mjk5YTk0ZTdlMWE=

10 posted on 10/05/2009 9:09:50 PM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ETL

To me the difference in treatment of Nazism and Bolshevism is incredible; to hold Bolshevism (global socialism) in high regard while maligning Nazism (national socialism), despite their similar track records, methods, and outcomes, is a joke.


11 posted on 10/05/2009 9:33:30 PM PDT by Carlos Martillo II (Guernica was a work of art...and I don't mean the painting.)
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To: Carlos Martillo II

I agree.


12 posted on 10/05/2009 9:43:53 PM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Carlos Martillo II; All

Mao, like Stalin, indisputably murdered more people than Hitler. He tyrannized the world's most populous nation for more than a quarter century; and while by most counts his victims were somewhat less numerous than Stalin's, the range of error makes it quite possible that Mao Zedong was the greatest mass murderer of the century. Mao was both the Lenin and the Stalin of Chinese Communism: not only did he found the system, but he raised it to lethal maturity. While Mao waited a few years to antagonize the peasants with forced collectivization, the killing began immediately. As Laszlo Ladany observes in his The Communist Party of China and Marxism: 1921-1985:

There are few parallels in history for what the [Chinese] Communists did [when they first came to power]. The French Revolution had many victims, but it did not institute a lasting political system. The October Revolution in the Soviet Union was not a peaceful affair, but the mass killings did not come till years later, during Stalin's collectivisation... In China, the terror - what else can one call it? - was widespread and saw the beginning of a lasting system.

After Stalin's death, Khrushchev and his successors eliminated some of the most horrific aspects of his regime. Mao denounced these reforms as "revisionism," studiously repeating each of Stalin's horrors. Unlike Stalin, Mao never fully succeeded in utterly crushing internal opposition within the Chinese Communist Party, which is probably why Mao's policies were not even more deadly than they were.

Deaths due to extreme hardship conditions in slave labor camps:

With the aid of Soviet advisors, Mao set up a Chinese Gulag - an empire of slave labor camps filled with poorly fed "counter-revolutionaries." As under Stalin, the prisoners could be anyone: former landlords, better-off peasants, civil servants under Chiang's regime, and eventually out-of-favor members of the Communist Party itself. By most estimates, the typical slave labor camp population during Mao's reign was between 10 and 15 million. The conditions were deadly, but markedly safer than those experienced by Stalin's Siberian slaves. Annual death rates in the Soviet camps under Stalin ranged from 10-30%, while under Mao the rates were more along the lines of 5-10%. This is partly due to the more favorable climate, but also because Mao was more interested than Stalin in getting work out of his slaves. In any case, these death rates are surely high enough to warrant murder charges for the inmates' deaths - which must have summed to well over 10 million.

* Deaths due to man-made famine:

The bulk of the deaths for which Mao was responsible stemmed from the famines caused by his mad agricultural collectivization program, which surpassed even Stalin's in its totalitarian aspirations. Like Lenin, Mao initially let peasants keep their land; he focused on killing or imprisoning landlords, better- off peasants, and other village leaders who might later resist him. This lasted for a few years; then Mao began to seize the land that he had promised the peasants, and force them into collective farms along Stalinist lines. The job was basically complete by 1956. These collective farms seemed too individualistic to Mao, so he went one step further in 1958 and forced the peasants into "communes." The difference was mainly that all property, not merely the land, became state property:

The peasant was now the property of the commune, to labor like factory workers in teams and brigades at whatever was commanded, to eat in common mess halls, and often to sleep together in barracks. Family life and traditions, personal property and privacy, personal initiative and individual freedom, were destroyed or lost in an instant for around one-seventh of all mankind. (R.J. Rummel, China's Bloody Century)

The communes were just one piece of Mao's overarching plan, the Great Leap Forward. Mao's stated goal was to make enormous advances in agriculture and industry simultaneously. Thus, in addition to setting large food quotas for the communes, villages were also ordered to set up small-scale steel furnaces - using local scrap metal as raw material. The pressure to surpass Mao's quotas led to little production but a great deal of falsified economic statistics. The false numbers were then used in future government plans, exacerbating the disaster which was to come.

Starvation had already set in during the forced collectivization period, just as it had under Stalin. Around five million perished from starvation even before the Great Leap Forward began. The Great Leap Forward turned this river of deaths into a flood, producing what was probably the single greatest famine in human history. From 1959-1963, around 30 million Chinese perished from this man- made famine. While exclusion of foreigners and draconian censorship kept word of this famine from the West for many years, in recent periods historians, demographers, and the Chinese government itself have given the world ample evidence of Mao's most horrible crime. Yet at the time experts were incredulous. "A BBC commentator - giving the opinion general among China experts - declared that widespread famine in such a well-organized country was unthinkable." (Laszlo Ladany, The Communist Party of China and Marxism: 1921-1985) The stories of recent emigres were shocking:

Peasants lacked the strength to work, and some collapsed in the fields and died. City government organisations and schools sent people to the villages by night to buy food, bartering clothes and furniture for it. In Shenyang the newspaper reported cannibalism. Desperate mothers strangled children who cried for food. Many reported that villagers were flocking into the cities in search of food; many villages were left empty, only the old people who were not strong enough to go into the cities being left behind. It was also said that peasants were digging underground pits to hide their food. (Laszlo Ladany, The Communist Party of China and Marxism: 1921-1985)

Insofar as official sources admitted existence of the famine following the Great Leap Forward, it was usually blamed on bad weather - just as the man-made famines of Lenin and Stalin had been. Natural forces did play a small role: perhaps 1 million of the 30 million deaths could be attributed to natural disasters. The deluded zealotry of Mao killed the rest. While even some unsympathetic scholars argue that Mao's famine, unlike Stalin's, does not qualify as murder, the case for Mao's personal guilt is strong. Mao's famine does not seem to have been created for its own sake as Stalin's was. Yet Mao had the experience of both Lenin and Stalin behind him, and knew full-well that collectivization often leads to mass death. He implemented his policies at gunpoint with full knowledge of these risks. Rummel points out that Mao's government tried to alleviate the famine once it was aware of it, but millions had died even before the Great Leap Forward began. In response Mao simply accelerated his pace - revealing the requisite mens rea for murder.

* Executions:

Mao's most famous executions were not his most numerous. In the so-called Cultural Revolution, Mao ordered massive purges of the Chinese Communist Party and of educated professionals. After Mao's fall, purge survivors such as Deng Xioaping seized power and ultimately exposed this crime to the world. About one million Party members and intellectuals were killed during Mao's Cultural Revolution - many by execution, others in the camps. Overall, however, Mao's killing actually declined during the Cultural Revolution. During earlier periods, millions of landlords, better-off peasants, dissidents, former Nationalist civil servants, and other "counter-revolutionaries" were executed. Numerical estimates are difficult to make, but probably add up to about 10-15 million.

http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/bcaplan/museum/comfaq.htm#part7

13 posted on 10/05/2009 9:44:51 PM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ETL

That’s like something out of “Killing Fields”, which Red China supported in Cambodia. The freaks turned the calendar back to “Year 0”, sent the city populations to work and starve in the fields (as Pol Pot traded the rice for weapons from Red China), and basically created the simplest economy possible: average Joe became a starving farmer, and those connected to the party were soldiers. Interestingly enough, the killing fields stopped when Communist Vietnam invaded Cambodia in 1979, prompting Red China to invade northern Vietnam the same year. Anybody who still maintains that the “Domino Theory” was propaganda to support war in Vietnam need only look at what happened in Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia after we left...


14 posted on 10/05/2009 11:10:40 PM PDT by Carlos Martillo II (Guernica was a work of art...and I don't mean the painting.)
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To: ETL

Uh, why are we honoring mass murder?

Has Obambi lost his mind? Oh, I forgot; he never had one.


15 posted on 10/05/2009 11:46:03 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: ETL

“* Executions:

Mao’s most famous executions were not his most numerous. In the so-called Cultural Revolution, Mao ordered massive purges of the Chinese Communist Party and of educated professionals. After Mao’s fall, purge survivors such as Deng Xioaping seized power and ultimately exposed this crime to the world. About one million Party members and intellectuals were killed during Mao’s Cultural Revolution - many by execution, others in the camps. Overall, however, Mao’s killing actually declined during the Cultural Revolution. During earlier periods, millions of landlords, better-off peasants, dissidents, former Nationalist civil servants, and other “counter-revolutionaries” were executed. Numerical estimates are difficult to make, but probably add up to about 10-15 million. “

Told you, dictators have no friends; only sacrifices. Maybe the Obama voters should take the time to read what actually happens under a dictatorship. They are not safe either. Probably less so because dictators must execute their own as well.


16 posted on 10/05/2009 11:49:15 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: ETL; ExTexasRedhead

Sobering, isn’t it?


17 posted on 10/05/2009 11:57:15 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: ETL

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k5ezXdAjXyKVCblBt1
Yuri Bezmenov, an escaped KGB agent, gives an eye opening account of how communist use ideological subversion or psychological warfare as their best weapons to take over a culture. If you haven’t listened to him I would greatly encourage you to do so. It is a very eye opening lesson on how the communist work in our country and what they do when they take over, murdering many including and especially “their own”.


18 posted on 10/06/2009 2:26:11 AM PDT by Bellflower (If you are left DO NOT take the mark of the beast and be damned forever.)
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To: ETL
The filmmakers make few references to Mao's brutality, glossing over policies and political purges that resulted in the deaths of 40 to 70 million of his people.

Just think: 70 million is more than the current population of Great Britain (only 61 million), and more than all the people killed in World War II.

And they honor his murderous regime?

At this rate, we will see Red China with an official annual celebration of the butchery in Tienanmen Square soon.

19 posted on 10/06/2009 2:37:19 AM PDT by snowsislander (NRA -- join today! 1-877-NRA-2000)
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To: snowsislander
And they honor his murderous regime?

It's an interesting mental balancing act they must perform, but it works for them. Before explaining, I must correct your words, though: they celebrate Mao, not his regime.

In 1911, the last dynastic Emperor was gone in China. After that, they had a series of bad governments, civil wars, and a brutal invasion by China. The last one was Mao's army chasing Chiang Kai-Shek to Taiwan*. Since then, they've had only one government, and for the last few decades, they've had the most amazing explosion of growth in the history of mankind. Many Chinese have hand-to-mouth existence in their personal memory. Mao is given credit for getting China past that, and he's not blamed for the"excesses"... particularly because Chinese are, like many Asian cultures, very highly reticent to admit embarrassments - particularly those on a global scale.

It's far easier to celebrate Mao for helping stabilize China and setting them up for their present ascendancy (and despising/regretting the terrible Gang of Four, which includes Mao's wife, for the Cultural Revolution), than it is for them to do the Western-progressive-liberal soul-searching and self-loathing that comes with admitting that your own government committed some of the most horrific acts in history. Add to that the fact that they are still controlled by an authoritarian regime (note: they're "Communist" in name only), and dissentious words by individuals can quickly and easily lead to very real repercussions, and you can start to understand why it's just easier to let the CCP have their little parties and celebrations, and vent rage at the other "more responsible" folk.

Further note: Chinese LOVE gossip. Along with being in a dense population comes the added issue of knowing that almost any whispered word can be overheard... and if it can lead to drama, there is absolutely NO shortage of wagging tongues to help see what can happen as a result. Again, Chinese culture is a HUGE factor in the psychological gymnastics they perform to love Mao and remain "rational". It's really fun to tinker with, as long as you never expect to make any progress. See below -

* - One of my favorite verbal prods is to argue with my Chinese friends that Taiwan does not belong to China... but China actually belongs to Taiwan! Mao chased Chiang away, but did not destroy that government. It still exists today. It never ended. Since it was the legitimate government of China before Mao, and it still exists, uninterrupted, then it must STILL be the actual government of China!

They really don't like it when I say that, LOL.

However, even the sweetest little Chinese college girls will quickly argue that, for reunification, they will happily pick up a rifle and fight for China. Happened to me again this weekend in Indy. Posturing or not, it is fascinating to behold.

20 posted on 10/06/2009 3:00:34 AM PDT by Teacher317
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