Your response is absurd on the face of it becauase what you suggest would mean that an Indonesian court could cancel U.S. citizenship conveyed by US law. What Kim Jong Il rules in NK has zero legal standing in a U.S. court unless specifically addressed by U.S. law to forfeit U.S. standing in favor of NK standing. In simpler terms, what Indonesia writes into their law does not determine the destiny of a U.S. citizen before U.S. law ... an Indonesian law cannot determine what U.S. courts will follow in U.S. law.
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In simpler terms, what Indonesia writes into their law does not determine the destiny of a U.S. citizen before U.S. law ... an Indonesian law cannot determine what U.S. courts will follow in U.S. law.
That is an interesting concept, that the laws of other nations cannot be applied to American citizens when they conflict with our laws.
No doubt you are trying to avoid the north korean citizenship argument and doing it badly. If Obama's Parents had gone to North Korea and they had become citizen as well as made him a citizen then we have no choice but to accept that he would be a North Korean citizen.
Oddly enough if Obama's father had come to this country and become a naturalized US citizen before Obama was born, we would have no choice but to accept that Obama is a Natural born Citizen by birth.
Other nations accept our laws concerning citizenship and we accept theirs as well, If Obama was made a Indonesian citizen by his Step Father he would be an Indonesian citizen and this country would have to accept that as legal because of treaties and international laws this country has agreed upon, to somehow exempt Obama from those agreements for the sake of politics nullifies the protection such agreements afford Americans around the world as well as the protection they provide our naturalized citizens and their native born natural born offspring.
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I think it prudent to point out, gently, that what was being applied for, was Indonesian citizenship re: adoption. When you apply to the indonesian government, you submit to IT’S rules, not US rules FIRST. Its rules are very strick concerning dual citizenship. If the applicant does not want to lose US citizenship, they can drop the application.
In this case, the Soetoro family wanted the child to attend indonesian public school, to do this he must be an indonesian citizen, and since there is/was no dual citizenship agreement between the US and Indonesia, the parent of the minor child (5-6 years old) made the decision.
It is apparent that the adoption went thru, based on the divorce decree, which I submitted by link. It shows his name as Barry Soetoro. It is reasonable to then presume that his US citizenship (if it existed from the US and not British) was relinquished to accomplish this goal. As I showed in Indonesian law, he could, between the ages of 18-21 pettition the US for a Naturalized citizen status, not Natural Born citizenship. I gave you two examples of court cases to consider, neither of which involved becoming a citizen of another country. This precident seems to be unique, but covered. To date, we do not know if BO has applied for Naturalized Citizenship to the US as his files are sealed, but that would be the best he could get after adoption, Naturalized Citizenship, not Natural Born Citizenship.
I am really working hard to not be dense here, and it seems very clear to me. This is not a case of bullheadedness, rather, I think the opposite.
So, tell me where I am wrong in my assertion that his parents chose his citizenship due to Indonesia’s refusal for dual citizenship.
Hillary Clintons assertion that Obama was not adopted does not hold water, based on the divorce decree which clearly shows a name change.
Hope you had a good nights rest...