Posted on 10/10/2009 1:58:35 AM PDT by myknowledge
In an exclusive June 2006 interview, Israeli Air Force (IAF) chief procurement officer Brigadier-General Ze’ev Snir told Israel’s Globes publication that the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter was a key part of their IAF recapitalization plans, and that Israel intends to buy over 100 of the fighters to replace their F-16s over time. A 100-plane deal would have cost at least $5 billion under Israel’s original estimates, and would involve the F-35A conventional take-off Air Force version. Snir added that:
“The IAF would be happy to equip itself with 24 F-22s but the problem at this time is the US refusal to sell the plane, and its $200 million price tag.”
Unfortunately, Israel’s September 2008 request for its first 75 F-35s would end up costing them an estimated $15 billion – or about $200 million per plane. All in return for a fighter with poorer air-to-air performance than the F-22, and less stealth. The necessary contract must deal with that sticker shock, and with issues like the incorporation of Israeli technologies, before it can be signed. If not, there’s a 3rd contender waiting in the wings, even as the goals of an early 2010 contract for Israel, and a multinational buy to lower costs, appear to be fading…
F-35 for Israel: Key Issues
Snir’s comments aside, Israel has pressed the USA for F-22EX aircraft since 2005, in order to maintain the IAF’s traditional requirement of regional air superiority. The September 2008 request for F-35s appeared to sideline the F-22 option, but Israel’s F-15 Eagles will also require replacement in the coming years, and recent developments indicate that the F-22 option is being revived in the wake of F-35 sticker shock and concerns about F-35 delivery dates.
Access to the F-35’s software source code remains a live issue for the Israelis, as it has been with the Australians [PDF format], British, and others. That access is necessary for countries that want to upgrade the aircraft’s computers, and/or integrate new weapons, communications, or electronic warfare systems. Israeli planes generally undergo heavy modifications to incorporate Israeli electronics and weapons systems, and the US has allowed the Israelis access to the F-15 and F-16’s software. In June 2006, Snir said that he is confident the F-35A’s computers will not be an issue. He reiterated that there was:
”...no dispute with the US that IAF F-35s would include Israeli communications and electronic warfare technologies and missiles developed by Rafael Armament Development Authority Ltd.”
Israel will certainly seek to ensure that items like its communications systems, LITENING surveillance and targeting pod technology, ECM and defensive electronics, Python short-range missiles, and other weapons will be part of its initial F-35A buy – or at the very least, slotted into the overall program’s formal integration plans by a reasonable date.
Those possibilities are now in question, due to comments by the F-35’s program manager. Israel did not expect that, nor did they expect the price increase: from about $80 million per plane in current dollars to more than $200 million.
As was the case with the proposed LCS-I frigate buy from Lockheed Martin, negotiations and industrial arrangements along those lines will be very important to Israel’s final decision.
Lockheed Martin, meanwhile, is trying to ramp up orders for the F-35 quickly, even though the aircraft are expected to remain in testing until 2014. A large order book would allow the firm to offer early buyers much lower prices for each plane, using dollar averaging over a substantial initial batch instead of charging $130 million for early production aircraft and $70 million or so for the same plane 3 years later.
That dynamic is standard for military aircraft of all types, but the F-35 is about 5-7 years late versus the market ideal. Potential customers with air fleets that are reaching their expiry dates are reluctant to pay those early production costs, and if enough of them defect, the F-35 program as a whole could find itself in trouble. Hence the F-35 program’s interest in a substantial early order from Israel.
F-35 Lightning II
or the
F-22 Raptor?
How many drones ?
Fighter of The Future
By John A. Tirpak
Executive Editor
The F-35the last remaining manned combat aircraft programmoves to the center of US airpower plans.
In the once-crowded field of manned combat aircraft, the F-35 Lightning II fighter now has become the only game in town.
Secretary of Defense Robert M. Gates, with his April 6 budget cut recommendations, terminated further production of the USAF F-22 fighter, began winding down the Navys F/A-18 carrier-based fighter, and postponed the next generation bomber, which was supposed to enter service in 2018.
That leaves only the F-35 as a full-fledged manned air program. Gates has heaped on the aircraft the burden of providing most of the capability and credibility of American airpower for decades to come.
snip Lockheed Martin, the F-35s prime contractor, has tooled up to produce as many as 240 F-35s a year in its Fort Worth, Tex., facilities. Pieces of the aircraft are built among all partner countries, but that rate would be the most that could be put through final assembly and checkout without expanding the assembly line and adding additional shifts of workers. Going higher than 240 could be done, but at what one company official termed significant expense.
The Air Forces need for the F-35 is already acute, as the average age of USAF fighters has crept above 17 years for the F-16, and 24 for the F-15. Some are considerably older. Moreover, the 2010 budget request included plans to retire 254 fighters from the Air Forces fighter inventory in the next fiscal year alone; it had been thought this reduction would phase in over five years. As a result, the Air Force will drop quickly and deeply below the level of 2,250 fighters considered the minimum requirement to fulfill national strategy.
http://www.airforce-magazine.com/MagazineArchive/Pages/2009/July%202009/0709fighter.aspx
This budget guarantees that the oldest Air Force in the history of our nation will get even older. MORE Note from AFA President Budget
Tuesday, April 7, 2009 http://www.afa.org/PresidentsCorner/Notes/Notes_4-7-09.pdf
With the aging Air Force fleet now on average a quarter-century old, the oldest it has ever been, and some key aircraft twice that age and dating back to the Eisenhower administration, AFA strongly believes the U.S. must recapitalize older air and space systems.
The F-22 is much too important to allow this line to close prematurely, said Mike Dunn, President/CEO of AFA. We need more of these important aircraft. Production is now at its most affordable point GEN (RET) Barry McCaffrey has stated: The F-22 is the most important acquisition program in the Department of Defense. We should buy 750 of them.
http://www.afa.org/media/press/draconian_cuts.asp
We know others are producing highly capable systems to challenge our current F-15s and the F-22. And they will not stop at 187. As recently as last year, reducing the F-22 buy from 381 to around 250 was described as a medium risk maneuver. What does capping it at 187 mean?
The F-35 will be a wonderful addition and complement, but it is not optimized for air superiority nor does it have the stealthy characteristics of the F-22.
Surely Israeli leaders know that Barack Obama won’t sell them aircraft adequate for their defence. The French will sell their mothers if the price is right. I don’t know where else the Israelis should look, but I hope they know.
One of our closest allies.....hitting obstacles.
I smell Barry’s involvment in this.
That’s one impressive looking bomb truck. Wonder if it can land with all that armament.
To lead Israel to defeat...
...in your dreams, ‘Bama.
That’s an RAF Eurofighter Typhoon, and no way would the Euroweenies sell Typhoons to the IDF/AF.
If youd like to be on or off, please FR mail me.
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No, but I’m sure the Chinese would *LOVE* to get their hands on the blueprints... for a price.
(oh, let’s say, 200-300 of them, once the factories are up and running)
For that matter, Russia aircraft manufacturers will sell their top of the line military equipment to anyone that’s got cash.
Witness India and China.
Saudis weighs major F-15 buy as Iran advances
worldtribune.com | 10-07-09 | Staff
Posted on 10/08/2009 11:22:46 PM PDT by 444Flyer
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2358156/posts
As a former IAF pilot, the need and desire for F-22 is intense.
W was of no help.
Personally, Israel would be better off getting the F-15 SE (Silent Eagle), especially given the JSF cost overruns, etc.
Remember that in 2006, the DoD suspended technological cooperation with the Israel Air Force on the future F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) aircraft as well as several other cooperative programs, held up shipments of some military equipment, and refused to communicate with the Israeli Defense Ministry Director General, whom Pentagon officials believed had misled them about the Harpy deal.
http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/crs/ib82008.pdf
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