Posted on 10/26/2009 7:51:02 AM PDT by Scythian
Ok, ok, there is some dispute over the heads on post thing, but the rest is all there!
Especially the part about killing everyone in sight "just because they weren't Mormons", right?
Despicable.
Yeah the mormons acts were despicable, all right!
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Mormon Bishop William J. Allred of Circleville reacted to the increased anxiety in his town by requesting a meeting with the Piedes. Some came voluntarily and were interviewed by the bishop who explained the situation and asked the Indians to surrender their guns. The Piedes reluctantly complied and were then placed under guard. Maj. James Allred, commander of the Circleville militia, then led his men to the Piede camp and quietly surrounded the remaining Indians. One Indian tried to escape and was shot, but the rest gave up their guns and were herded into the meetinghouse at Circleville where the men were tied up and placed under guard and the women and children were put in the cellar.
Major Allred then sent a message to his regimental commander requesting advice on what to do with the captives. Meanwhile, the Indians were questioned concerning their activities and gave conflicting reports, some of which included accounts--most likely lies or exaggerations--of aiding the hostile Indians. The Piedes were kept under continual guard while the Circleville militia awaited instructions from its leaders. The message instructing the Circleville soldiers to "see that those prisoners were treated kindly" was received too late. Undetected by the soldiers, the Piede men had managed to unloose the ropes that bound them; they waited until the evening when the guards changed and then sprang on their captors. In the struggle that followed all of the Piede Indians were shot and killed. Panicked by the bloody incident, the soldiers felt it necessary, as one resident put it, to "dispose of the squaws and papooses" to prevent them from telling of the massacre and inciting further violence. The women and children were brought from the cellar one at a time and killed. A. C. Anderson recalled seeing the throat slit of the first Indian brought up; in all, at least 16 Piedes were massacred that day. Three or four small children too young to talk were spared and adopted by local families.
Despite efforts to squash the story, news of the massacre soon spread throughout the territory. Remarkably, federal and territorial officials as well as militia leaders all failed to take action, and no one was prosecuted for the murders. As with most incidents during the Black Hawk War, the Circleville Massacre was viewed at the time with regret but was largely dismissed as yet another tragic example of frontier justice.
http://historytogo.utah.gov/utah_chapters/american_indians/circlevillemassacre.html
In an nutshell, What would be the point in making it harder to get in heaven and why would the additional "tests" be something so glorious, so powerful and selfless as sacrificing your only begotten. Why not just add to the law instead? like I said, no sense what so ever.
I was born and raised just 30 miles from Circleville, and as you well know, my progenitor was tried and executed for the Mountain Meadows Massacre. I truly didn’t want to believe that my Church and my family could commit such atrocities under the guise of “direction from God.” There was nothing to gain for me to admit the horrible truth.
Research it TChris - then tell me it’s not true. You DO recognize that your inability to see the truth about the background of your church severely impacts your credibility here, don’t you?
I know your gang likes to hunt in packs, but isn’t Tennessee Nana able to answer these questions herself?
Then he ordered the destruction of the Nauvoo Printing Press because they printed the truth on his sexual daliances with other men's wives. Joe Smith had at least 30 wive and many were already married. He was a sheister and a con-man. He was no prophet; not even in the slightest.
Two things the mormon folk need to do:
Lots of people claim that what they do is under "direction from God". Heck, there's a war being fought by people who believe just that.
None of the incidents you jackals love to bring up was done at the direction of the Church. NONE OF THEM.
NOT ONE
STOP your incessant lying and slander!!
Mormons have free will just like any other person. Some of them have, sadly, done horrible things. Many Catholics, Baptists, Lutherans, Methodists and other people of Christian faiths have done horrible things. Some of them claim to have done so at the direction of God.
Why is it that only the crimes committed by Mormons are blamed on their Church? Why do you promote such a blatantly dishonest and unfair double standard?
Do you slander members of the Church of Christ because Jeffrey Dahmer was one?
Do you splatter Catholics with the sins of Teddy Kennedy?
You and your kind engage in some of the most loathsome and foul distortions and misrepresentations imaginable. You spew disgusting and inflammatory lies, then laughably dismiss any protests with a wink and a snicker.
You are simply snakes, deserving of nothing greater than disgust and revulsion.
Thanks for your response. It seems I must have touched upon a very sensitive nerve.
And yes, those men claimed to have been directed by their god, though the power of the holy priesthood invested to them through Joseph Smith, who himself took wives from men he sent away to do “God’s will.”
I feel sorry for you my FRiend.
I'm still trying to get a WITNESS from ANY Mormon in these threads as to just what was UNTRUE about PREBYTERIANism that Joseph Smith supposedly learned.
And yes, those men claimed to have been directed by their god, though the power of the holy priesthood invested to them through Joseph Smith, who himself took wives from men he sent away to do “God’s will.”
I feel sorry for you my FRiend.
Chickening out, eh?
Kindly point out the Catholics, Baptists, etc, whose crimes you have blamed on their Church.
Show me ONE POST where you have done so, CC. Just one.
You're a bitter, blind and deeply dishonest person.
Which one?
use?
“I Will Be a Second Mohammed”In the heat of the Missouri “Mormon War” of 1838, Joseph Smith made the following claim, “I will be to this generation a second Mohammed, whose motto in treating for peace was ‘the Alcoran [Koran] or the Sword.’ So shall it eventually be with us—‘Joseph Smith or the Sword!’ ”[1] It is most interesting that a self-proclaimed Christian prophet would liken himself to Mohammed, the founder of Islam. His own comparison invites us to take a closer look as well. And when we do, we find some striking—and troubling—parallels. Consider the following.
“I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him, but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.”[4] In light of these parallels, perhaps Joseph Smith’s claim to be a second Mohammed unwittingly became his most genuine prophecy of all. [1] Joseph Smith made this statement at the conclusion of a speech in the public square at Far West, Missouri on October 14, 1838. This particular quote is documented in Fawn M. Brodie, No Man Knows My History, second edition, (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1971), p. 230–231. Fawn Brodie’s footnote regarding this speech contains valuable information, and follows. “Except where noted, all the details of this chapter [16] are taken from the History of the [Mormon] Church. This speech, however, was not recorded there, and the report given here is based upon the accounts of seven men. See the affidavits of T.B. Marsh, Orson Hyde, George M. Hinkle, John Corrill, W.W. Phelps, Samson Avard, and Reed Peck in Correspondence, Orders, etc., pp. 57–9, 97–129. The Marsh and Hyde account, which was made on October 24, is particularly important. Part of it was reproduced in History of the [Mormon] Church, Vol. III, p. 167. See also the Peck manuscript, p. 80. Joseph himself barely mentioned the speech in his history; see Vol. III, p. 162.” [2] John Ankerberg & John Weldon, The Facts on Islam, (Eugene, OR: Harvest House Publishers, 1998), pp.8–9. Eric Johnson, Joseph Smith & Muhammed, (El Cajon, CA: Mormonism Research Ministry, 1998), pp. 6–7. [3] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.4, pp.461. [4] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.6, pp.408–409. |
What was the trouble with BEING a PRESBYTERIAN according to Joseph Smith??
You STILL ain't getting anyone to have a nice ol' flame war with you.
You'd best up the ante.
Then why don't YOU "post the truth" and let lurkers see which side is doing the LYING?
I drive a Chevy and a Jeep myself.
It's up to YOU to provide some EVIDENCE to offset what's been posted.
And it's STILL up to you or other MORMONs to post some EVIDENCE.... yada yada yada
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