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Tough Road Ahead for Dems After Vote Passes
National Review ^ | 11-08-09 | Rich Lowry

Posted on 11/07/2009 9:18:01 PM PST by truthandlife

Listening to the debate on the floor today, it was clear that Democrats considered it a moral and ideological obligation to pass this bill—consequences be damned. The leadership is congratulating itself now—Pelosi is already the greatest speaker of all time apparently—but there's a tough rough ahead in the Senate. Pelosi could lose 39 votes. Reid can't lose any. Passage in the House definitely creates more pressure on Reid to get it done, but the slender margin—despite the size of the Democratic majority in the House and all the arm-twisting and deal-making (what did Cao get?)—has to make Senate moderates even more nervous. There's a long string yet to be played out here, and it's still likely to stretch into next year, by which time Pelosi’s historic accomplishment of Nov. 7 may look foolish.


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To: Salvation

CA-36 Harman, Jane [D]
CA-47 Sanchez, Loretta [D]

To think these two were ever “blue dogs” is laughable.


51 posted on 11/07/2009 9:39:13 PM PST by ScottinVA (The arrogance of this Congress is staggering. November 2010 can't get here quickly enough.)
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To: WOSG
@ Post #3 - Look what happened to Cap and Trade though. I don't think Obamacare is going to pass the Senate, the votes aren't there.

Of course it'll pass the House because by tradition the House is the faster of the two deliberative bodies.

52 posted on 11/07/2009 9:40:12 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (90% of the fedgov is unconstitutional. The other 10% besides the military doesnt know what it's doin)
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To: Deo volente
I’m a little confused. Will it need 60 votes in the Senate or merely a simple majority of 51?

The communists party will change the rules. It will pass with 50 and Biden.

53 posted on 11/07/2009 9:40:22 PM PST by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: truthandlife
“Listening to the debate on the floor today, it was clear that Democrats considered it a moral and ideological obligation to pass this bill—consequences be damned.”

The consequences need to be extremely painful. The government is out of control, passing this against the will of the majority of citizens as well as perpetrating an unconstitutional act has rendered them illegitimate. We should show them the respect they deserve which is none. Don't sign up, don't pay the fines, and get ready to rumble if it comes to it.

54 posted on 11/07/2009 9:42:02 PM PST by Wolfhound77
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To: sickoflibs

I couldn’t believe my eyes. My stomach just completely twisted when I saw the number reach 218.

Once this is passed into law, there will be no undoing it.

We are about to live in a new Amerika, and I don’t want to be a part of it.


55 posted on 11/07/2009 9:42:26 PM PST by borntobeagle (speechless)
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To: Bad Jack Bauer

“Be it by ballot or by bullet, this pack of lying sons of b****es has to go.”

Yep..either way, it matters not to me anymore. These collectivist, unconstitutional, godless, immoral, self important human stains need to go.


56 posted on 11/07/2009 9:44:19 PM PST by Wolfhound77
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To: mamelukesabre

“When our own political system breaks down into violent war, its all lost. Civil war is anti-democratic. I can’t picture myself preparing for war against americans for political reasons. I would feel like I am contributing to the problem.”

Whatever, hide in the sand or pick a damn side. Be useful or not.


57 posted on 11/07/2009 9:45:28 PM PST by Wolfhound77
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To: truthandlife
Pelosi is already the greatest speaker of all time apparently—but there's a tough rough ahead in the Senate...For sure - there was lots of excitement after the House passed the cap and tax bill last spring, but it was never heard from again once it got to the Senate - with Lieberman already saying he'll never vote for Healthcare Deform, I think the same fate awaits Nancy's Folly.......
58 posted on 11/07/2009 9:46:15 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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To: sourcery

You can’t veto anything after you’ve been impeached

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This makes my mouth water! I would love to make that a stipulation for voting in the new seats in 2010 - that those who get voted in MUST begin impeachment proceedings immediately!

...wishful thinking?


59 posted on 11/07/2009 9:48:03 PM PST by Atom Smasher
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To: borntobeagle

Who cares if it’s passed into law. Just refuse it. Don’t pay the fines, and kick their ass if they show up at your house. There’s 535 of them and two POS in the white house, there are millions of us.


60 posted on 11/07/2009 9:48:36 PM PST by Wolfhound77
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To: FunkyZero
the only REAL question remaining is, how hard is this going to be to repeal in 2012...

We never repealed Social Security or Medicare; if Obamacare passes, it, like every other major entitlement, will only expand.

61 posted on 11/07/2009 9:51:16 PM PST by snowsislander
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To: Wolfhound77
In my life, I have watched thousands of movies. I am quite the movie buff and can instantly recall the most minute details of movies I have seen. My own DVD collection numbers about 1700 movies. In all those movies, full of classic and not so classic moments, no single moment warms my heart like when the whole of Congress is set aflame by invaders in the otherwise less than memorable, Mars Attacks. There is never a death ray wielding Martian around when you need one.
62 posted on 11/07/2009 9:51:38 PM PST by Bad Jack Bauer (Fat and Bald? I was BORN fat and bald, thank you very much!)
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To: mamelukesabre
When our own political system breaks down into violent war, its all lost. Civil war is anti-democratic.

Where do I start? We're not a democracy, we're a representative republic.

We survived a civil war 150 years ago, and were better for it.

The military is probably the best equipped to protect the Constitution. Then we can sort all this out.

Honestly, do you want to live like a Canadian (I did, for seven years) or worse, a European, when it comes to the health of your family?My son is 12. I'll fight physically to let him have at least half the life I've had. I was born in 1963. The '70s were very good to me, but my kid is facing a world of hurt. I'll do whatever it takes to prevent him from living under this kind of government control.

63 posted on 11/07/2009 9:52:13 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: Wolfhound77

You first, hotshot. whaddya gonna do? turn timothy mcveigh? Build a waco compound?


64 posted on 11/07/2009 9:53:11 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: Tax Government

“The current Congress reminds me of a Power Puff Girls villain, “cockroach man” — a huge creature really composed of many tiny cockroaches. Each member who voted for this bill is a cockroach. Defeat them individually, then sanitize their breeding grounds — the schools — to prevent a reinfestation.”

The productive members of society need to go on strike and start demanding free shit. Free homes, free cars, free cable, whatever. Let’s act just like them and see how they pay for it all.


65 posted on 11/07/2009 9:53:42 PM PST by Wolfhound77
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To: Wolfhound77

Here, Here!

Well stated!


66 posted on 11/07/2009 9:53:45 PM PST by Atom Smasher
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To: beanshirts
While we have to vote the Democrats out... the greater problem we face is that so few Republicans are actually against all the socialism we already have.

You can beat up the folks we have on our side or fight the ones we must defeat.

We can afford to be shut of a few really bad eggs but the vast majority of the Republicans in Congress have hung tough over and over and over again since the beginning of the year.

And, frankly, despite the loss in NY23, I really feel that the Republicans were buoyed by the ferocity and power of the Hoffman campaign. And that in spite of the fact that Hoffman was stiff as a board and looked like a doe in the head lights when it came to being on camera. A real Republican would have won this handily.

The fact is that Conservatives are going to have to raise hundreds of millions of dollars or more and target this for maximum effect. We have to convert backslapping Tea parties into sign planting, electioneering juggernauts that make even Nancy Pelosi's home district not be a safe bet.

And Senators like Dodd, and Reid should feel that running is a march into futility.

Even more so, we have to learn how to split the Democrat base. A loss of 10% of their current support from any segment will finish them.

The poor are going to suffer the most from all that Obama is doing. They think he cares about them, but ask the folks in Chicago who lived in the tenements he said he was going to fix, or the folks who Michelle sent packing to another hospital. Like the aliens in "V", this guy promises the moon but it turns out, the moon isn't a good place to live even for one second.

67 posted on 11/07/2009 9:54:02 PM PST by dalight
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To: Salvation
AZ-1 Kirkpatrick, Ann [D]

AZ-4 Pastor, Edward [D]

AZ-5 Mitchell, Harry [D]

AZ-7 Grijalva, Raul [D]

AZ-8 Giffords, Gabrielle [D]

ARIZONA VOTE THEM OUT OF OFFICE !!!!!!!!!!!

68 posted on 11/07/2009 9:54:16 PM PST by Irish Eyes
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To: sourcery

Impeach him?

That takes more votes than a simple veto override.


69 posted on 11/07/2009 9:55:44 PM PST by Tzimisce (No thanks. We have enough government already. - The Tick)
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To: Salvation

Thank you! BOOKMARKED!!!


70 posted on 11/07/2009 9:57:04 PM PST by SierraWasp (AARP is guilty of Elder Abuse by endorsing a law that eliminates Medicare Advantaqe plans!!!)
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To: Conservative Vet

“I feel sick. All of us veterans swore an oath to defend the Constitution against enemies foreign and DOMESTIC. Pelosi is a domestic enemy.”

Indeed, but all rats along with Rinos, illegals demanding free bennies etc need to be included in the domestic enemy category. Pelosi isn’t the only one, she’s just the blood sucking vampire queen of the parasite class.


71 posted on 11/07/2009 9:57:20 PM PST by Wolfhound77
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To: HerrBlucher

Hope you’re right.

But this wasn’t supposed to pass the House...and it did.

A conservative was leading in NY 23 in most polls before the election...he lost.

And there are many other examples of “it won’t happen” happening.


72 posted on 11/07/2009 9:57:24 PM PST by Tzimisce (No thanks. We have enough government already. - The Tick)
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To: buccaneer81

Numbers matter. That’s the country we live in. Majority rules.

After the next census, we won’t have a prayer.


73 posted on 11/07/2009 9:57:51 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: mamelukesabre
You first, hotshot. whaddya gonna do? turn timothy mcveigh? Build a waco compound?

You do your screen name, tagline and homepage a huge disservice.

74 posted on 11/07/2009 9:58:13 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: Tzimisce

Republicans will do absolutely nothing. Who the hell cares if the Dems get voted out.


75 posted on 11/07/2009 9:58:16 PM PST by cydcharisse
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To: snowsislander
We never repealed Social Security or Medicare; if Obamacare passes, it, like every other major entitlement, will only expand.

Old folks better wake up. This bill is a repeal of both Social Security and Medicare.

If you don't understand ask Rahm Emanuele's brother.

You aren't going to live long enough to collect it.

76 posted on 11/07/2009 9:58:30 PM PST by dalight
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To: Freddd

“I sure hope you’re right.”

Hope ain’t enough.

We gotta turn the heat up beyond even what it has been.

We have to make it HOT AS THE SUN!


77 posted on 11/07/2009 9:59:40 PM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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To: mamelukesabre
Majority rules.

BWAHAHAHA! Yeah, sure. That's why we have Affirmative Action, CAIR, gay marriage and abortion.

Are you that naive?

78 posted on 11/07/2009 10:00:40 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: cydcharisse
Republicans will do absolutely nothing. Who the hell cares if the Dems get voted out.

I am glad we can count on you do to what ever it takes to save our freedoms. We need every single person in the surrender chorus that we can find.

79 posted on 11/07/2009 10:00:40 PM PST by dalight
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To: Bad Jack Bauer

Lol...Well, we don’t want to set fire to the ones that no on universal healthcare and cap and trade, the rest though...hmmm :-)


80 posted on 11/07/2009 10:00:54 PM PST by Wolfhound77
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To: Tzimisce
All that is required is 50%—voring against the incumbent (D) in enough Congressional districts to provide the needed vote margins in future Congresses. Given what's happening in the mood of the electorate, and how the situation is likely to evolve, that's a virtual certainly. You can take that to the bank.
81 posted on 11/07/2009 10:02:13 PM PST by sourcery (RINOs are Whigs with no hair...)
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To: buccaneer81

I’m being practical. My eyes are opened.

We are a minority and when a minority imposes it’s will on the majority, the result is not democracy or freedom...even if it is done for their own good.

it’s late and I’m tired. Maybe I’ll see it different tomorrow.


82 posted on 11/07/2009 10:03:15 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: Wolfhound77
Lol...Well, we don’t want to set fire to the ones that no on universal healthcare and cap and trade, the rest though...hmmm :-)

Maybe a Martian with a SELECTIVE death ray, then.
83 posted on 11/07/2009 10:04:12 PM PST by Bad Jack Bauer (Fat and Bald? I was BORN fat and bald, thank you very much!)
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To: mamelukesabre

Yeah, whatever you say.


84 posted on 11/07/2009 10:04:14 PM PST by Wolfhound77
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

You are too optimistic. This bill will be passed in the senate.


85 posted on 11/07/2009 10:04:52 PM PST by ChiMark
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To: mamelukesabre
We are a minority and when a minority imposes it’s will on the majority, the result is not democracy or freedom...even if it is done for their own good.

OMG, then I guess you agree with every Communist and Fascist regime in history.

None of them had a majority following.

86 posted on 11/07/2009 10:05:11 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: Wolfhound77

He’s a quisling, and then some.


87 posted on 11/07/2009 10:05:57 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: buccaneer81

Oh sure, majority doesn’t mean anything.

That’s what the dutch south african people used to say.


88 posted on 11/07/2009 10:06:31 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: ScottinVA
"But of course, the euphoria over getting “free” health care will need to wear off first."

That's an interesting point. I wonder if (assuming this monstrosity comes to pass) perhaps the 'parasite class' might just swamp the system right off. Sort of a Cloward-Piven effect in reverse, or like the old saying..."put a beggar on a horse and he'll ride it to death."

89 posted on 11/07/2009 10:06:42 PM PST by VR-21 (Down to the stones, where old ghosts play.)
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To: dalight

No, I haven’t surrendered. The Republican Party surrendered long before this, led by the idiot Bush.

If you think voting out the Dems will somehow change this crap, you are delusional.


90 posted on 11/07/2009 10:07:12 PM PST by cydcharisse
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To: Bad Jack Bauer

That might work :)


91 posted on 11/07/2009 10:07:43 PM PST by Wolfhound77
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To: buccaneer81

I think you just agreed with me.


92 posted on 11/07/2009 10:08:20 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: mamelukesabre
That’s what the dutch south african people used to say.

Yeah, I'm sure the Russian people were all fired up to defend Stalin, right. It was a terror regime that kept them in line. That's what's coming here. Have you not even been following the Fort Hood story? Wake up!

93 posted on 11/07/2009 10:09:23 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: mamelukesabre
I think you just agreed with me.

I think not. Comparing us to those animals is beyond the pale.

94 posted on 11/07/2009 10:11:03 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: VR-21

“...or like the old saying...”put a beggar on a horse and he’ll ride it to death.”

Indeed, they’ll ride it to death all right. Unfortunately, it will be after all our economic deaths since were going to be picking up the tab. All I have to say is if the POSTUS, VP, and Congress aren’t forced into the very same plan, then we all just need to ignore it, period. Don’t sign up, hang up your phone if they call, don’t pay the fines...etc Let them arrest 100 million people.


95 posted on 11/07/2009 10:13:00 PM PST by Wolfhound77
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To: Hildy; holdonnow
We need to get clips of that debate. Specifically, I want the one that tells everyone that veterinarians get their loans forgiven. When asked what the hell this has to do with health care, the Democrat answered: EVER HEAR OF SWINE FLU? It was surreal. That should be our first commercial.

WOW. I watched a lot of today's "debate" on the House floor. I missed that one...

96 posted on 11/07/2009 10:13:14 PM PST by nutmeg (Madame Speaker: TEAR UP THIS BILL!!!)
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To: borntobeagle
Just like in the USSR, people will learn to hate this government even more and attempt to avoid and cheat it whenever possible. A government having half or more of its population feeling nothing but contempt for it will not endure, you can be assured.

The United States has come full circle. Having abolished a privileged class living off the production of others, this nation has re-established such a class, even anointing a new king in the process. This will not end well.
97 posted on 11/07/2009 10:14:33 PM PST by attiladhun2 (The Free World has a new leader--his name is Benjamin Netanyahu)
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To: Wolfhound77
That might work :)

Yep. Something. I drives me almost to the point of puking how these asshats try to convince me that it is a grand day. They blow so much smoke up my ass my mouth tastes like an ashtray. Disdain and Contempt, that is all I feel for the current state of Congress and the President. I try to have some respect for the office itself but it has been so sullied lately, that I can't even do that.
98 posted on 11/07/2009 10:16:45 PM PST by Bad Jack Bauer (Fat and Bald? I was BORN fat and bald, thank you very much!)
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To: FunkyZero

“they care about the pork then can bring home. “

why, I vote against any representative that brings home pork.


99 posted on 11/07/2009 10:16:45 PM PST by dalereed
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To: buccaneer81

The nutjob muslims are here to stay. They aren’t going anywhere. And they vote. that whackjob that shot the soldiers gets just as much say in government as you and I do. Well, after he gets convicted he won’t be voting anymore. But you can bet there will be lots of democrats that would like him to keep voting.

This is kind of my point...and it isn’t sinking into your skull. We are losing ground every year. We thought 8 years of bush was going to turn it all around. It didn’t.


100 posted on 11/07/2009 10:18:36 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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