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Wray wind generator fails to produce juice (update)
Rocky Mountain News ^ | July 30, 2008 | Tillie Fong

Posted on 12/08/2009 7:47:25 AM PST by PilotDave

One of the projects touted as an example of green energy - supported by the purchase of carbon offsets from the Democratic National Convention - isn't working, according to an online report.

Face the State, a Web site that follows politics in Colorado, reported this week that a wind turbine in Wray has not been able to produce electricity since it was erected in February (2008) because of a faulty converter .

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: energy; energydemocrats; wind
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I was just in Wray last week and thought I would update Freepers on a real life democratic supported, gov owned, wind plant.

Background- The Wray school district built a wind generator, which was funded in part by the State of Colorado and the DNC to tout/show off alternate energy solutions. It was going to pay for itself in the long run by selling the extra electricity.

In short, it's been a disaster. It has never produced any power. In fact, the district spent most of the fall trying to repair/replace the generator. When they turned it on this fall, it ran for a short period and burned up the new power head. It's still just sitting there - a dead money pit...

Of course I couldn't find a recent news story that covered this. I used a link from a previous story in the Rocky Mountain News, which has since gone out of business. Ironic.

1 posted on 12/08/2009 7:47:26 AM PST by PilotDave
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To: PilotDave

Fay Wray?
2 posted on 12/08/2009 7:50:45 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: PilotDave

These moronic wind generators never fail to make me laugh.


3 posted on 12/08/2009 7:50:56 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: PilotDave

I recently took a month to tour Texas. I saw hundreds of wind generators out on the west Texas plains.

Having seen others in Wyoming and noting many were not operational, I purposely made a count. It is not too hard, even when driving at 70 mph.

It is very safe to say that 10 to 15% are inoperative. Given an array of 30 or so, 4 or 5 will be still. I made several counts over a three day period and the results were always there. Lots of the wind generators just don’t work.

Boone Pickens was on Cavuto recently. He was touting his bill being proposed to convert 18 wheelers to natural gas from diesel. he has abandoned his lofty wind power scheme.

Wind energy is a costly fraudulent joke


4 posted on 12/08/2009 7:55:08 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Lukenbach Texas is barely there)
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To: PilotDave

Just another illustration of something illustrated in Atlas Shrugged. The government and industrial looters just care about building stuff with public funds. They just want something to make them feel good about themselves. They don’t know how to make that stuff they build run or be profitable. And the evil part is that they don’t care.


5 posted on 12/08/2009 7:55:31 AM PST by Truth is a Weapon (Truth, it hurts soooo good!)
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To: PilotDave

Some part of Europe (can’t remember where) gave up on their wind energy because it took so much energy to manufacture the spinning of the turbine compared to the needed supplementing of other electricity sources, it became unsustainable.


6 posted on 12/08/2009 7:55:52 AM PST by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: PilotDave
Don’t know about the failure to repair this unit. But I do know that power demand has dropped like a rock. Nearest power plant is running at 25 to 30% capacity.
7 posted on 12/08/2009 8:05:19 AM PST by org.whodat
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To: bert

Same thing in Northern Indiana.
I drive by a wind farm with over a hundred of the things just sitting there, taking up space.


8 posted on 12/08/2009 8:05:19 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: SJSAMPLE

See# 7


9 posted on 12/08/2009 8:05:58 AM PST by org.whodat
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To: SJSAMPLE

Whatever the shortcomings of windpower may be, wind turbines don’t provide baseline power. Being far more easily started and stopped than steam boilers, they are used for peak delivery.


10 posted on 12/08/2009 8:11:28 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: PilotDave

I have driven by a forest of windmills in southwestern Minnesota many times and only rarely are all of the windmills turning. I have even seen times when not a single windmill from horizon to horizon was turning. Any notion that we can depend on wind power for even 10% of our electric needs is ludicrous.


11 posted on 12/08/2009 8:14:33 AM PST by The Great RJ ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." M. Thatcher)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
"These moronic wind generators never fail to make me laugh."

Moronic...good description.

They should put those millions of dollars into upgrading the electrical grid and building nuclear power plants...THAT's the solution for the growing population.

Either that, or shut the damn gates and stop letting every tom, diego, and mohammed in here to suck off the national teat.

Wind power...about as dependable in filling our needs as the democrats.
12 posted on 12/08/2009 8:14:55 AM PST by FrankR (SENATE: You cram it down our throats in '09, We'll shove it up your ass in '10...count on it.)
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To: PilotDave


In fact, the district spent most of the fall trying to repair/replace
the generator. When they turned it on this fall, it ran for a short period
and burned up the new power head.

I guess those “Green” SEIU workers need to go back to tech school to learn
the basics of electricity-generating equipment.
(/SARC)


13 posted on 12/08/2009 8:16:39 AM PST by VOA (I)
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To: Mr. Lucky
Being far more easily started and stopped than steam boilers, they are used for peak delivery.

They can be, but the other important piece to the puzzle is what we call in the grid management business dispatch-ability. That is, being able to deliver the juice where and when you need it. Wind generation is essentially non-dispatchable. You either have it or you don't. That means you may have it when you don't really need it or want to use it, or you may not have it when you need it.

And, BTW (as Rush would say), the latter point is why you have the greenies agitating for laws requiring that grid operators get some fraction of their supply from "green sources". That means, to meet that requirement, if your "green source" happens to be online, you HAVE to use it to meet your quota, even though you may not want to use it, for whatever reasons (technical, economic, whatever). Mandates and subsidies from the government (naturally) are the only way a lot of these schemes will have any penetration into the competitive market.

14 posted on 12/08/2009 8:27:26 AM PST by chimera
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To: PilotDave

This is hardly typical.


15 posted on 12/08/2009 8:35:33 AM PST by DungeonMaster (camel, eye of a needle; rich man, heaven)
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To: xcamel
Actually, I was thinking Link Wray


16 posted on 12/08/2009 8:38:19 AM PST by Repealthe17thAmendment (Is this field required?)
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To: The Great RJ
I have driven by a forest of windmills in southwestern Minnesota many times and only rarely are all of the windmills turning. I have even seen times when not a single windmill from horizon to horizon was turning. Any notion that we can depend on wind power for even 10% of our electric needs is ludicrous.

In Iowa we use about 48,000,000 mwh/year. We have 3,000 mw worth of windpower which produces over 7,000,000 mwh of electricity/year and we are building lots more. Do the math.

17 posted on 12/08/2009 8:50:14 AM PST by DungeonMaster (camel, eye of a needle; rich man, heaven)
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To: PilotDave

I was driving to Portland a while back and passed a set of 18 wheelers. Three trucks drove by, each with one huge white cylinder. Another three went by, each with what looked like an airplane wing or huge propeller blade. It was huge. Two more trucks completed the ‘kit’. Eight big trucks came from Portland down the Columbia River Gorge, (Interstate 84), probably from foreign ships off loading in Portland. Does the energy generated from those windmills even equal the energy it takes to get them delivered?


18 posted on 12/08/2009 8:54:57 AM PST by sportutegrl (If liberals could do math, they would be conservatives.)
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To: bert

Wind is still part of TB Pickens plan. He wants wind to help replace Natural Gas Electrical Power generation. This gives more Natural Gas freed up to compete with transportation fuel. Nat Gas from shale formations are now taking some pressure off this but we remain a Nat Gas importer.

Right now TBP’s competes with coal at a low $/BTU. I believe he wants a bigger piece of transportation market and move his Nat Gas more into that higher $/BTU market. But if we are just trading imported oil for imported LNG, the profit is not as high as producing domestic Nat Gas and only using pipelines.

Technology advances have made the Nat Gas from shale economic and greatly improved our reserves. But the daily production level still remains below our current consumption. Adding significant addition demand as transportation fuel will jack the price of Nat Gas and bring in too many foreign suppliers of LNG. Pickens doesn’t want that much completion before he develops his fueling infrastructure and captures a big market share.

My opinion, nothing more.


19 posted on 12/08/2009 8:57:22 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: DungeonMaster

What does Iowa do when the wind stops for a while?


20 posted on 12/08/2009 9:00:57 AM PST by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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