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Emails, schmeemails, look at the polar ice caps
American Thinker ^ | December 11, 2009 | By Randall Hoven

Posted on 12/10/2009 11:02:54 PM PST by neverdem

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Will Charlie Gibson leave Fistgate to the 'Cables'?

It's sick.

1 posted on 12/10/2009 11:02:55 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

This is a good one

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/10/counting-cru-tricks/#more-13415


2 posted on 12/10/2009 11:09:44 PM PST by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: neverdem

BTTT


3 posted on 12/10/2009 11:18:02 PM PST by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: neverdem; According2RecentPollsAirIsGood; livius; DollyCali; FrPR; TenthAmendmentChampion; ...
 




Beam me to Planet Gore !

4 posted on 12/10/2009 11:18:18 PM PST by steelyourfaith (Time to prosecute Al Gore now that fellow scam artist Bernie Madoff is in stir.)
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To: spodefly; All

I don’t care what the heck the ice caps are doing.

What frosts me is all the money we are sending to the middle east, Venezuela and Nigeria for oil. We need to produce our own energy here at home and stop messing up our balance of payments. Do we really want to be owing China all that money? Just because we may disagree about the direction of global climate change doesn’t mean we shouldn’t worry about energy.


5 posted on 12/11/2009 12:04:41 AM PST by gleeaikin
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To: neverdem
The Southern ice coverage isn't the same as Northern, and the author subtly notes it by the comparisons of land ice. Thicknesses are also important...the pattern displayed is what would be expected from war4ming. That is, Antarctic ice sheet thinning and spreading, while the Arctic ice coverage decreases.

That doesn't mean it's significant or anthropogenic, but it's important to note that this is a lot more complex than most people realize.

6 posted on 12/11/2009 12:19:40 AM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: neverdem
US Navy submarines "Seadragon" and "Skate" surface to rendevous at the North Pole, August, 1962.


7 posted on 12/11/2009 12:57:03 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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>"Emails, schmeemails, look at the polar ice caps "

Especially the ones Algae photoshopped! Why the ice has disappeared!!! We're doooooooomed!!!!!

8 posted on 12/11/2009 1:20:29 AM PST by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:31 Behold, I am against you," O " you most proud, said the said the Lord GOD of hosts)
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To: Gondring

There are also the Arctic submarine volcanoes to consider.


9 posted on 12/11/2009 1:58:56 AM PST by agere_contra
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To: FromLori

Even though these are from 2003 I get the drift.

One must assume, that alot of money was put in these “researcher’s”, and I use that word with contempt, hands.

They also had a mandate, that as long as they could prove the theory of global warming, the money would keep coming.

I mean, was this their full time jobs?

The TRICK then being, that if we could keep this facade going, year after year, our jobs were secure.

Boy, I’d like to know the amount of tax dollars went into this phoney research.

THE BIGGEST SCAM STORY IN ALL OF THIS, IS THAT THE DATA THEY HAD HAS SIMPLY VANISHED, SO NO ONE CAN COME IN HERE AND DISPROVE THEM.


10 posted on 12/11/2009 2:12:55 AM PST by nikos1121 (Praying for -16.)
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To: neverdem
It is a miracle that there is ice anywhere on Earth with a core that is millions of degrees.

Expect the media to shift to the Antarctic now that it is almost Summer there now and since the Arctic is gaining ice for Winter.

Capture from NASA Living Earth 10-26-09.(That white stuff is icecap.)

11 posted on 12/11/2009 2:29:55 AM PST by PeaceBeWithYou (De Oppresso Liber! (50 million and counting in Afganistan and Iraq))
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To: nikos1121
I wouldn't say that, there are some that know...


12 posted on 12/11/2009 2:36:16 AM PST by PeaceBeWithYou (De Oppresso Liber! (50 million and counting in Afganistan and Iraq))
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“Greenland’s melting land ice...”
I wonder why the Vikings named the place “Greenland”? Do you think...? Nah, couldn’t be.


13 posted on 12/11/2009 2:44:00 AM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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We need to produce our own energy here at home and stop messing up our balance of payments. Do we really want to be owing China all that money?

We send money to China for Chinese-made crap, not for oil. We should buy oil from whoever sells theirs the cheapest. Also we should remove artificial restrictions on our own oil and gas development.

14 posted on 12/11/2009 3:19:35 AM PST by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: PeaceBeWithYou

Slight correction. The capure is from NASA Visible Earth.


15 posted on 12/11/2009 3:21:17 AM PST by PeaceBeWithYou (De Oppresso Liber! (50 million and counting in Afganistan and Iraq))
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To: Scotsman will be Free

http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=3553


16 posted on 12/11/2009 4:55:18 AM PST by ltc8k6
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And only one has been shrinking.

But THAT one is OURS!

17 posted on 12/11/2009 4:57:50 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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If you think a picture worth so much, Katie, should we base all we know about you on this one?

"...you open up your mouth.
You put your left foot in..."

18 posted on 12/11/2009 4:59:29 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Gondring
The Southern ice coverage isn't the same as Northern, and the author subtly notes it by the comparisons of land ice. Thicknesses are also important...the pattern displayed is what would be expected from war4ming. That is, Antarctic ice sheet thinning and spreading, while the Arctic ice coverage decreases.

Antarctic ice is growing, not melting away

That doesn't mean it's significant or anthropogenic, but it's important to note that this is a lot more complex than most people realize.

I initially trained as a chemist. Scientists are supposed to be sceptical, but also keep an open mind. Forget that none of their vaunted climate models predicted the lack of warming for at least the last ten years. Forget that the record from previous ice ages and interglacial periods shows that the rise in atmospheric carbon dioxide concentrations comes after the atmosphere warmed by about seven to eight hundred years.

The climategate emails have shown ample reasons to doubt the veracity of the temperature data. There's also ample reason to doubt the carbon dioxide data.The samples were mostly collected from the worst locations, i.e. active volcanos, and IIRC, the official government records are a farce.

Historically, the conservatives are the gang usually preaching the precautionary principle The only instance of the left observing the precautionary principle that I can recall is when they want to deny the pre-existing right to keep and bear arms protected by the Second Amendment. So I have to ask myself why is the left now "Going Cheney on Climate"?.

Now I'm not denying carbon dioxide absorbs energy from solar infrared radiation, but the earth has a number of carbon dioxide sinks, and how does the greenhouse analogy make sense when earth's atmosphere expands and contracts largely in response to external forces?

There's a clinical maxim in medicine about making a diagnosis: "When you hear the sound of hoofbeats, don't think zebras." It's probably a horse if your not in Africa. In other words, if you want to consider a zebra, rule out a horse. In the case of global warming, you have to rule out natural variation. That's a tall order when we know the record includes the Medieval Warm Period, Little Ice Age, etc. That's even tougher when the correlation with sunspot activity is considered as well as the correlations with ocean currents and temperature data.

IMHO, I think this Warmageddon mongering is a horse called fraud. It's been fed by scientists made into prostitutes with $80 billion in grants from taxpayers, useful idiots on the left with no understanding of science and politicos who see a gravy train and lust for power.

19 posted on 12/11/2009 11:57:51 AM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem

bump


20 posted on 12/15/2009 7:44:58 PM PST by Roberts
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