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From the article: Delilah questioned whether Crista and Crosspoint leaders were aware of Covey’s beliefs before they adopted the materials.

See link below.

From the article; Covey has denied in recent years that his leadership materials are repackaged Mormonism.

Oh, no? See:

A Closer Look at Stephen Covey and His 7 Habits - LDS

From the article: She said in a recent interview, however, that the materials don’t belong in a Christian school. “It’s not about being intolerant. It’s about being true to my faith,” she said. “I don’t have a problem with Stephen Covey and businesses that use it. I don’t have any problem with people who want to sign up for yoga classes or attend the church of Satan if they want to. That’s their right. But I can’t imagine someone paying money to send their kids to Brigham Young University so they can get a good basis in Mormon faith and then having their kid come home and saying his new teacher was a Catholic priest teaching the Apocrypha.”

1 posted on 12/26/2009 1:06:10 PM PST by Colofornian
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Now Mormons are on the attack of Delilah over this...all while one of them claims he doesn't want them to go on the attack...just 'cause she's exercise oversight of her kids' education. (Last time I look, 'twas a Free Republic re: exercising parental educational rights...but not to Deseret Times Mormon columnist Joel Campbell).

The way the Lds columnist would have it, all Christian parents should have their kids subjected to veiled Mormonism in their so-called "Christian" schools...'cause if they won't, then Campbell pulls out the "B" label ("bigot) & hurls it at...
...Delilah...
...Focus on the Family (compared Delilah's actions to Focus on the Family withdrawing an article on Glenn Beck late last year)...
...and anybody objecting to any voter-citizen not wanting a "god-in-embryo" in the White House (Romney)...
...all the while having the gall to claim, Let's not go on the attack of Delilah"...
...If calling people "bigots" is not attacking -- showing his own lack of tolerance over parents' educational decisions-- then what is?

2 posted on 12/26/2009 1:17:42 PM PST by Colofornian (If you're not going to drink the coffee, at least wake up and smell it!)
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Right from the horse's mouth:

A Closer Look At The 7 Habits of a Highly Successful Mormon: Stephen R. Covey

Yet, 7 Habits contains many of the same principles, anecdotes, and illustrations found in one of Covey’s earlier books, The Divine Center. This book was written by Covey to promote Mormon beliefs and show that any spiritual model other than the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS) is a false "map" that limits the personal development of its followers.

Covey explains in The Divine Center that he has discovered how to communicate Mormon truths to non-Mormons by simply changing his vocabulary. He writes, " I have found in speaking to various non-LDS groups in different cultures that we can teach and testify of many gospel principles if we are careful in selecting words which carry our meaning but come from their experience and frame of mind." [Divine Center, p. 240.]


3 posted on 12/26/2009 1:19:06 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (Obamacare: Old folks don't deserve healthcare. They use up too many carbon credits just breathing.)
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Many of the Covey principles of "7 Habits of Highly Effective People" were found in Covey's earlier Mormonized "The Divine Center."

Let's take a brief look at Covey's beliefs:

From the Southern Baptist article I linked to in post #1: Covey’s beliefs about salvation are also uniquely Mormon. He warns his readers against seeking “any kind of ‘special’ relationship” with Jesus Christ. [Divine Center, pp. 67-68.] He writes, “The Christ-only approach is inappropriate for Latter-day Saints and for this book.”

Well, on this, Covey "brothers" Lds apostle Bruce R. McConkie, who lectured BYU students in a devo there in the early 1980s NOT to seek a special relationship with Jesus Christ.

What's quite interesting is there's four verses in the Book of Mormon which talk about Book of Mormonites worshiping the Mormon jesus...I mean, some of them are all-out worship. Yet McConkie said, "No" not to worship Christ (directly).

There's also a whole chapter in the Book of Mormon about praying directly to Jesus (3 Nephi 19). Yet, once again, those behind the scenes of Mormon doctrine ensured that they cautioned their followers NOT to pray directly to Jesus.

Don't seek any kind of special relationship with JC?
Don't directly worship JC?
Don't directly pray to JC?
(Even though both the Bible AND Book of Mormon tells you to?)
Can you say "anti-Jesus" as in "anti-Christ?"

4 posted on 12/26/2009 1:23:00 PM PST by Colofornian (If you're not going to drink the coffee, at least wake up and smell it!)
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From the Southern Baptist article I linked to in post #1: Covey warns his readers against privately interpreting scripture. Rather he advocates that they “look to the present prophet and Church (LDS) leaders and official Church policies for the manifestation of the Lord’s will and interpretations.” [Divine Center, p. 199.] He also writes, “The inspired words of living prophets may be of greater worth to us than the words of the dead prophets. Their words also can be scripture.” [Divine Center, p. 199.]

(Yeah, yeah, yeah...whenever we quote a Mormon "prophet" saying something embarrassing, we hear from somebody Lds claiming, "Well, that's not canon...That's not 'scripture' "scripture"...it's only verbal 'scripture' of the type Brother Brigham talked about ... saying he never sent out a corrected sermon that he couldn't call 'scripture'"...Boy, it sure becomes confusing on all the suddenly-inserted new standards that are introduced into conversations mid-sentence)

5 posted on 12/26/2009 1:25:05 PM PST by Colofornian (If you're not going to drink the coffee, at least wake up and smell it!)
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Hmmmm, which of these seven principle are unChristian:

The Seven Habits of Covey are:
1. Be proactive. This is the ability to control one’s environment, rather than have it control you, as is so often the case. Managers need to control their own environment, using self-determination and the power to respond to various circumstances.
2. Begin with the end in mind. This means that the manager needs to be able to see the desired outcome and concentrate on activities which help in achieving that end.
3. Put first things first. Managers need to personally manage themselves and implement activities which aim to achieve the second habit – looking to the desired outcome. Covey says that habit 2. is the first, or mental creation; habit 3 is the second, or physical creation.
4. Think win-win. This is the most important aspect of interpersonal leadership because most achievements are based on cooperative effort, therefore the aim needs to be win–win solutions for all.
5. Seek first to understand and then to be understood. By developing and maintaining positive relationships through good communications, the manager can be understood, and can understand the subordinates.
6. Synergize. This is the habit of creative cooperation - the principle that collaboration often achieves more than could be achieved by individuals working independently towards attaining a purpose.
7. Sharpen the saw. Learning from previous experience and encouraging others to do the same. Covey sees development as one of the most important aspects in being able to cope with challenges and aspire to higher levels of ability.

From what I can see of the many of the fine “true” Christians I have had the privilege to chat with on the forum, it must be number 5, but that is only what I can see from how they behave. I could be wrong.

So, which of those seven principles is unChristian?


6 posted on 12/26/2009 1:35:01 PM PST by urroner
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Wasn’t that a Mormom who tried to blow up that airliner in Detroit? Oh no, wait, that was a Muslim wasn’t it. Never mind.


8 posted on 12/26/2009 1:54:56 PM PST by centurion316
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I can't understand why Latter Day Saints would be disturbed by this woman (I've never heard of her) pulling her child from the school. She doesn't like the curriculum. I homeschool because I don't like what the Publik Skool teaches.
11 posted on 12/26/2009 2:08:08 PM PST by FourPeas (Why does Professor Presbury's wolfhound, Roy, endeavour to bite him?)
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“It’s not about being intolerant. It’s about being true to my faith,”
34 posted on 12/26/2009 5:03:22 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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Move alonmg: nothing new here.

MORMONism has been saying they, too, are Christians.

But WHY; considering the LDS' past history?


 

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/17#17

  17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
  18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.
  19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”
  20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother,
“I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.”
 
 
And, continuing thru the years, the high ranking leaders of that Organization have done the same!
 
Joseph Smith continues: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith-History 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
 
Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
 
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
 
Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses, 18:172).
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses, 10:127).
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
 
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p.196).
 

 
Only just lately have the MORMONs seem to WANT be called Christians now.
 
Can't find ANYTHING in their doctrine that has changed to warrent this attitude shift; however.

35 posted on 12/26/2009 5:05:27 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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Another anti-Mormon post from you.
Doesn’t it get old?


44 posted on 12/26/2009 7:40:46 PM PST by Jean S
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We listen to her show often at night in the car and usually have the radio on for our daughter in her room when she goes to sleep to her show. Delilah is good people.


67 posted on 12/27/2009 5:15:50 AM PST by My Favorite Headache
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83 posted on 12/27/2009 9:23:36 AM PST by narses ('in an odd way this is cheering news!'.)
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Nothing in the 7 habits book struck me as Mormomist, either explicitly or implicitly. I found it very helpful and practical. You could be a person of any faith and apply these simple practices that are more for focusing on good habits.


98 posted on 12/27/2009 1:24:54 PM PST by TradicalRC (Secular conservatism is liberalism.)
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If it was Mormon, would they call the school Crosspoint? The symbol of the cross is eschewed by Mormons.
134 posted on 12/27/2009 9:49:09 PM PST by cookcounty (Let us not speak of the honor of men. Rather, let us bind them with the Constitution. --Jefferson)
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Covey’s principles are taught in secular as well as religious circles. Nothing dangerous.


156 posted on 12/28/2009 6:31:56 AM PST by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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CULT = religions I don’t believe in


247 posted on 12/29/2009 7:51:46 AM PST by bannie
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