[Fred Nerks]

The "fosil trees" are only "fossil" in the sense they are DEAD DEAD DEAD.

Right you are! The trees are not fossilized:

[muawiyah]

Neat pictures. There's a report on the net (search for 538 years) that pins down exactly what these trees are about.

None of them were alive as late as 160 years ago. What that meant was that Mann and his cronies had to come up with yet "other" trees to use to gin up "proxy data" for temperatures from 1850 to about 1998. So, they used "other" trees that'd grown in protected river valleys. The result was the EARLY data has to do with trees growing exposed to Siberian wind, the stuff from 1850 to 1960/1998 from trees growing in sheltered groves, and data from 1960/1998 to present (whatever present he wanted I suppose) "actual data" from "somewhere" "more or less" "probably".

You trick those samples enough, and pick this tree rather than another, and next thing you know you have a hockey stick graph!

The way Mann and his cronies selected the data means that they did so with malice aforethought ~ which means fraud when it comes to the government contracts they justified ~ which means that ol'boy ain't gonna' leave prison for a darned long time!

[muawiyah]

BTW, the reason no trees of that size grow along the Kolmya river any longer is quite simple ~ IT GOT COLDER, the storms got stronger, the trees and the dirt they grew in was washed right off the sides of the hills, and new trees of the same type cannot thrive there.

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks Fred Nerks!

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