Skip to comments.Obamacare Is Dead and Here's Why [Obamacare Ongoing Thread]
Posted on 01/25/2010 11:27:02 PM PST by JustPiper
Consider the pre-election giveaway to the labor unions. Negotiators agreed to exempt union contracts until 2018 from the tax on so-called Cadillac health-insurance plans. That backroom bargain not only outraged the voters, it also violated the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution, requiring the federal government to extend equal protection of the laws to all U.S. persons. Of course, not all voters understood the constitutional nuances, but they sensed that something was very wrong; and they reacted.
I have been disturbed by the socialists for years, ever since I learned many members of Congress 'openly' joined the DSA (Democratic Socialists of America). Several years ago, the names were published on the DSA site. (since removed of course) Please post any info you have, many of you have been on this issue for many years, & if we can store it all on one thread, we have our FreeRepublic Warehouse on the enemies of the state. How DO we combat this, when it's coming at us from every angle? When the people have been asleep for decades. Please post anything you have found or accumulated. Also choose a dictator these people follow, of particular interest,those in D.C. who have been quoted with their adulation of one.
Communism- Marxism-Leninism-Stalinism-Trotskyism-Maoism- Hoxhaism-Hoxhaism-Titoism ETC
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The bastards are all lining up to smile pretty for the cameras. I can’t stand it!
GOD'S BEST TO YOU AND YOURS.
May God have mercy on all who Love Him in looming traumas.
1996 - May 11 Journalist Joan Veon interviews David C. Korten, author of When Corporations Rule the World (1995) and former Ford Foundation project specialist in Manila. In this interview, Korten claims that: "the World Trade Organization is creating a world government in which one organization which is totally unelected, wholly secretive....with the power to virtually override any local or national laws if those in any way inconvenience global corporations....It was a terrible shock (to those of us who supported Bill Clinton) when Clinton came in and GATT and NAFTA became the centerpieces of his policy....And in a sense, there was almost a seamless transition from President Bush to President Clinton in that regard....Our democracy has been rendered meaningless by big money. The truth is there are politicians (who) are owned lock, stock and barrel by the big money interests....Our elections create, to some extent, a facade of choice."
Obamacare To Be Enforced By Armed Thugs
Ron Paul: “If it was a good program and everybody liked it, you wouldn’t need 16,500 thugs coming with their guns and putting you in jail if you didn’t follow all the rules”
STEALING THE NEXT ELECTION
From amnesty to universal registration,
Obama’s strategy for maintaining power
With tens of millions of Americas furious at Barack Obama and Nancy Pelosi for unconstitutionally forcing socialized medicine down their throats, and with congressional Democrats in danger of massive electoral losses this November, one giant question looms large for Team Obama: How to stay in power despite plummeting voter support?
welcome my friend
I got the list of 34 Dems vote against, which is what I wanted
May he Bless you too Arthur, this has all caught up to me
Ayn Rand says it better than anyone
Pat Toomey Responds to Healthcare Vote
I figured it was LaRaza all along
to move forward in a comprehensive way = socialist takeover
Thanks for the heads up, was going to watch
Any bill with this word in it is a fraud.
If EVER a bunch of criminals’ faces should be on a wanted poster...
I believe the troops would profit greatly . . . at least be somewhat comforted and possibly encouraged by a thread started by you two in response to the latest horrific tragedy by the Congresstraitors.
We need to hear from our fearless leader(s).
I don’t know that it even matters enormously what you say—though some hint at NOW THEREFORE WHAT would be nice.
We just need to hear from you after this horror.
It's not just if we don't have obamacare. It's that we have o'care that COMPLIES with what THEY DEEM APPROPRIATE! They are going to tell us what is and isn't acceptable to them.
Thank you, Nanny State.
Obama Signs Health Care Bill Today as GOP Challenges Constitutionality
Several States Are Challenging the Mandate Requiring Americans to Have Health Insurance
(12 States File Lawsuits Against Mandatory Insurance...)
With VIDEO Minn. Gov. Tim Pawlenty discusses his party’s fight over bill’s legality.
Tea partiers vow revenge over health overhaul
Stacy in Atlanta just informed Rush on the air that there are buried elements of 0-care that are now triggering a complete meltdown of healthcare.
The insurance companies need 45% to cover administrative/etc. 0-care shortens it to 15%. Health insurance companies will be insolvent in two years. It will not be felt by consumers until January, but the affects are causing shockwaves in an already low-profit industry.
I believe this will trigger immediate meldown. Stocks are going to erode — execs are seeking new imployment already. And this will in turn shatter the current healthcare industry.
Please note flash in post 2625 if you are an investor. This is going to move fast!
Hitler’s Enabling Act
On March 23, 1933, the newly elected members of the German Parliament (the Reichstag) met in the Kroll Opera House in Berlin to consider passing Hitler’s Enabling Act. It was officially called the ‘Law for Removing the Distress of the People and the Reich.’ If passed, it would effectively mean the end of democracy in Germany and establish the legal dictatorship of Adolf Hitler.
The ‘distress’ had been secretly caused by the Nazis themselves in order to create a crisis atmosphere that would make the law seem necessary to restore order. On February 27, 1933, they had burned the Reichstag building, seat of the German government, causing panic and outrage. The Nazis successfully blamed the fire on the Communists and claimed it marked the beginning of a widespread uprising.
On the day of the vote, Nazi storm troopers gathered in a show of force around the opera house chanting, “Full powers - or else! We want the bill - or fire and murder!!” They also stood inside in the hallways, and even lined the aisles where the vote would take place, glaring menacingly at anyone who might oppose Hitler’s will.
Just before the vote, Hitler made a speech to the Reichstag in which he pledged to use restraint.
“The government will make use of these powers only insofar as they are essential for carrying out vitally necessary measures...The number of cases in which an internal necessity exists for having recourse to such a law is in itself a limited one.” - Hitler told the Reichstag.
He also promised an end to unemployment and pledged to promote peace with France, Great Britain and the Soviet Union. But in order to do all this, Hitler said, he first needed the Enabling Act.
A two thirds majority was needed, since the law would actually alter the German constitution. Hitler needed 31 non-Nazi votes to pass it. He got those votes from the Center Party after making a false promise to restore some basic rights already taken away by decree.
However, one man arose amid the overwhelming might. Otto Wells, leader of the Social Democrats stood up and spoke quietly to Hitler.
“We German Social Democrats pledge ourselves solemnly in this historic hour to the principles of humanity and justice, of freedom and socialism. No enabling act can give you power to destroy ideas which are eternal and indestructible.”
This enraged Hitler and he jumped up to respond.
“You are no longer needed! - The star of Germany will rise and yours will sink! Your death knell has sounded!”
The vote was taken - 441 for, only 84, the Social Democrats, against. The Nazis leapt to their feet clapping, stamping and shouting, then broke into the Nazi anthem, the Hörst Wessel song.
They achieved what Hitler had wanted for years - to tear down the German Democratic Republic legally and end democracy, thus paving the way for a complete Nazi takeover of Germany.
From this day on, the Reichstag would be just a sounding board, a cheering section for Hitler’s pronouncements.
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Don’t blow this great opportunity!
PhRMA President and CEO Billy Tauzin, thank you, FRiend.
Sad FRegards ....
[Thank you, mo]
One Grand Deal Too Many Costs (pharma) Lobbyist (Billy Tauzin) His Job
Mr. Tauzin, 66, will retreat, to contemplate the apparent collapse of the grandest in a career of fearless deals a pact to trade the drug industrys political support for favorable terms under President Obamas proposed health care overhaul.
Mr. Tauzin is leaving his $2 million-a-year job as the top lobbyist for the drug industry amid complaints from drug makers that he bargained away their profits too cheaply, spent too much in his $150 million advertising campaign to sell the overhaul and miscalculated in his assessment that the passage of the legislation was all but inevitable. [snip]
IMHO, it’s all part of their plan. Crush the insurance companies so the gov’t HAS TO institute the public option which is what they wanted all along.
Bastards, all of them!!
I shorted 10 stocks in 06.. Banks, developers, and mtg. companies. Now retired ;-)
But WHAT does it do for US?
State by State: Who’s Looking to Counter Health Reform?
Special to AOL News (March 23) — Across the country, activist groups, legislators and state officials are considering an array of legal maneuvers designed to prevent all or part of the national health care reform effort from coming into law within their borders.
At least a dozen state attorneys general have vowed court challenges, and more than three dozen states are considering health care reform nullification bills. The stage is even set for several states to try to amend their constitutions to prevent the reforms from applying within their borders.
Legal Challenges: Alabama will join Florida, Michigan, Nebraska, North Dakota, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Texas, Utah and Washington in a joint legal challenge.
Star Crusader: Attorney General Troy King is leading the anti-health care reform crusade at the state level.
Grounds: King argued that the bill tramples “state sovereignty” and illegally forces people to acquire insurance.
Status: King, who also made waves this week by picking a high-profile fight with the Alabama governor over the state gambling task force, will be in Washington this week to discuss Alabama’s potential response. He has also occasionally been mentioned as a candidate for higher office.
Legal Challenges: Arizona has proposed a constitutional amendment.
Star Crusader: Arizona state officials have been rather silent on health care reform, but one high-profile figure is Phoenix orthopedic surgeon Dr. Eric Novack, who is currently the chairman of the advocacy group Arizonans for Health Care Freedom. Novack also reportedly helped Arizona lawmakers draft the proposed amendment.
Grounds: Arizona lawmaker Nancy Barto, who sponsored the measure, says that the amendment will “protect patients’ fundamental rights.”
Status: Last summer, the Arizona legislature passed the “Health Care Freedom Act,” a bill that refers a constitutional amendment to Arizona voters. The amendment prevents citizens from being forced to purchase health care and guarantees the right to purchase private coverage. It will appear on the November ballot. A similar referendum on mandatory health care narrowly failed in 2008.
Legal Challenges: Colorado has an anti-health care reform ballot measure, and is joining the interstate federal lawsuit.
Star Crusader: On the legal front, Attorney General John Suthers announced that Colorado will join with Florida in filing suit. On the grassroots level, Jon Caldara, president of the libertarian-leaning Independence Institute, is pushing hard for an anti-health care reform ballot initiative.
Grounds: “The Constitution gives Congress the enumerated powers to regulate those engaged in interstate commerce,” Suthers said in an interview. “It does not give the Congress the power to compel a citizen, who would otherwise choose to be inactive in the marketplace, to purchase a product or service and thereby become subject to congressional regulation.”
Status: The secretary of state’s office has already granted approval for the ballot initiative supporters to begin collecting signatures. The initiative would direct the state not to enforce the federal law. And Suthers remains committed that Colorado will join the interstate lawsuit.
Legal Challenges: Florida is leading the charge for a federal lawsuit in coalition with other states, and proposed state legislation and proposed constitutional amendment.
Star Crusader: Florida Attorney General Bill McCollum, who is running as a Republican for governor, is leading a broad coalition of states in a joint lawsuit against the health care bill.
Grounds: McCollum will focus specifically on the requirement that residents purchase insurance or face fines.
Status: McCollum has already laid the groundwork for his legal challenge, hiring a Washington lawyer to argue the case. Further, just hours after Congress passed the bill, the Florida legislature began considering two measures. The first was a bill that simply urged McCollum to sue; the second was a proposed constitutional amendment saying that no Florida resident could be forced into the national health care scheme. The amendment will need to pass the legislature, and then be approved by voters.
Legal Challenges: Michigan is joining the interstate federal lawsuit.
Star Crusader: Michigan Attorney General Mike Cox, who is running for governor as a Republican, has been a vocal opponent of reform.
Grounds: According to a statement by Cox, “Congress’ attempt to force Michigan families to buy health insurance — or else — raises serious constitutional concerns.”
Status: Michigan will join the interstate lawsuit.
Legal Challenges: Nebraska is joining the interstate federal lawsuit
Star Crusader: Sen. Ben Nelson, D-Neb., who caused controversy nationwide by trading his vote for $45 million in extra Medicaid funding for Nebraska, plans to vote “no” on the Senate fixes, but it is state Attorney General Jon Bruning who is leading the legal fight.
Grounds: ‘’It tramples on individual liberty and dumps on the states the burden of an unfunded mandate that taxpayers cannot afford,’’ Bruning said.
Status: Gov. Dave Heineman, a Republican, has expressed support for the lawsuit, and Nebraska will join the Florida-led lawsuit rather than filing its own suit.
Legal Challenges: North Dakota is joining the interstate federal lawsuit.
Star Crusader: Attorney General Wayne Stenehjem, who is not running for higher office but is seeking re-election, is considering the proposal.
Grounds: According to the AP, Stenehjem is concerned about the cost of the Medicare expansion and the mandatory insurance provisions.
Status: According to Florida Attorney General Bill McCollum, North Dakota will be part of the Florida suit.
Legal Challenge: Ohio has a citizen-initiated constitutional amendment.
Star Crusader: No singular figure in Ohio has emerged to lead the challenge, but the Cincinnati 9/12 Project is a Tea Party-affiliated group that is pushing the amendment and collecting signatures to put the measure to a vote.
Grounds: According to a statement put out by the group, “... the federal government is trampling on the direct constitutional authority and responsibility of state legislatures. This constitutional amendment will do what our leaders in the Statehouse have failed to do — protect Ohioans from federal mandates on personal behavior.”
Status: The group needs to collect approximately 400,000 signatures by June 30 to have its amendment considered. The amendment protects the rights of Ohioans to opt out of the federal health care reform.
Legal Challenges: Pennsylvania is joining the interstate federal lawsuit.
Star Crusader: Pennsylvania’s decision to join the Florida-led lawsuit is wrapped up in gubernatorial politics. State attorney general Tom Corbett is running for governor as a Republican. Monday he announced Pennsylvania’s participation in the suit. Democratic incumbent Ed Rendell called the suit “political grandstanding.”
Grounds: The effort will focus on the mandatory insurance requirement.
Status: As of Monday, Corbett’s office had confirmed to the AP that Pennsylvania still planned to participate in the interstate lawsuit led by Florida.
Legal Challenges: South Carolina is joining the interstate federal lawsuit.
Star Crusader: GOP Attorney General Henry McMaster has emerged as a staunch opponent to health care reform. He is also running for governor in South Carolina. In a campaign e-mail, he promised to fight for South Carolina’s “way of life.”
Grounds: In the same campaign e-mail, McMaster argued, “The health care legislation Congress passed last night is an assault against the Constitution of the United States.”
Status: McMaster has firmly stated that South Carolina will join the interstate-led lawsuit.
Legal Challenges: South Dakota is joining the interstate federal lawsuit.
Star Crusader: Gov. Mike Round and Attorney General Marty Jackley, both Republicans, are the high-profile opponents of the reform effort.
Grounds: “Medicaid is the train that’s driving the discussion,” Jackley told the Associated Press.
Status: Florida Attorney General Bill McCollumn said Monday night that South Dakota had agreed join the interstate lawsuit..
Legal Challenges: Texas is joining the interstate federal lawsuit.
Star Crusader: Both Texas Gov. Rick Perry and Attorney General Greg Abbott have been outspoken opponents of health care reform.
Grounds: Abbott laid out the Texas case in a statement Sunday: “’To protect all Texans’ constitutional rights, preserve the constitutional framework intended by our nation’s founders, and defend our state from further infringement by the federal government, the state of Texas and other states will legally challenge the federal health care legislation.”
Status: In a Facebook status update, Abbott wrote, “We plan to file the moment Obama signs the bill.” The Texas Tribune is reporting that Abbott and other state attorneys general had agreed to move forward with a single lawsuit.
Legal Challenges: Utah plans state-level legislation, and is joining the interstate federal lawsuit.
Star Crusader: Not a single member of the bipartisan Utah House delegate voted for the health care reform bill, but Gov. Gary Herbert and Attorney General Mark Shurtleff have emerged as the loyal opposition on the state level.
Grounds: According to the Salt Lake Tribune, Herbert and Shurtleff believe that they have increased standing to sue because Herbert signed legislation banning the individual mandate within Utah. Now federal law and Utah law directly contradict one another.
Status: According to Shurtleff, the Florida-led lawsuit is “ready to roll” and Utah will be a part of it.
Legal Challenges: Virginia plans an independent federal lawsuit, plus pending legislation.
Star Crusader: Attorney General Kenneth Cuccinelli has taken the lead.
Grounds: According to Cuccinelli, the federal government lacks the ability to force people to purchase insurance. Virginia’s legal challenge will revolve around the Commerce Clause. “If a person decides not to buy health insurance, that person by definition is not engaging in commerce,” Cuccinelli said, according to Reuters.
Status: The Virginia legislature already passed a bill saying that no Virginian can be required to purchase insurance. Wednesday, Gov. Bob McDonnell is expected to sign the bill into law. Cuccinelli vowed to file his lawsuit as “soon as the ink is dry” on the health care bill.
Legal Challenges: Washington is joining the interstate federal lawsuit.
Star Crusader: Politicking is playing a big role in the health care fight in Washington state. Attorney General Rob McKenna is widely believed to be seeking the Republican gubernatorial nomination in 2012. He drew a sharp rebuke from incumbent Gov. Chris Gregoire when he announced that Washington would join the lawsuit.
Grounds: “This unprecedented federal mandate, requiring all Washingtonians to purchase health insurance, violates the Commerce Clause and the 10th amendment of the U.S. Constitution,” McKenna said in a statement.
Status: Though McKenna said that Washington would join the lawsuit, Gov. Gregoire said that she was planning to file her own suit arguing that McKenna is not representing the state.
MM, can you embed this here?
These lyrics are the PERFECT Song for our Fight, I now ADOPT it!
READ the lyrics & tell me what you think?
Michael Jackson - They Dont Really Care About Us Lyrics
All I wanna say is THEY really dont care about us!
Tell me what has become of MY rights?
Am I invisible because YOU ignore me?
Your proclamation promised me FREE LIBERTY
I cant believe this is the land from which I came!
The government dont wanna see
Beat me~bash me~you can never trash me
Hit me, kick me, you can NEVER get me
All I wanna say is they dont really care about US
All I wanna say is they dont really care about US
All I wanna say is they dont really care about US
All I wanna say is they dont really care about US
Fourteen States Have Filed Lawsuits
On Tuesday, Virginias attorney general Ken Cuccinelli filed a lawsuit challenging the health care bill. Thirteen other states have banded together to file a lawsuit Florida, South Carolina, Nebraska, Texas, Michigan, Utah, Pennsylvania, Alabama, South Dakota, Louisiana, Idaho, Washington and Colorado. Those thirteen attorneys general are mostly Republicans, but one is a Democrat. Their spokesperson is the very personable Bill McCollum of Florida.
At issue will be whether Congress has the power to treat as interstate commerce the actions of a citizen who hasnt purchased anything, and whether Congress has the authority to order citizens to buy any product:
Never in this nations history has the commerce power been used to require a person who does nothing, to engage in economic activity, said Professor Randy Barnett of Georgetown University Law Center.
Mandating that all Americans purchase health insurance is akin to requir[ing] every American to buy a new Chevy Impala every year, to help the automobile industry, Barnett said.
More to the point, large numbers of Americans do not choose traditional health care. Many use alternative modalities, and many rely on prayer. So forcing them to buy traditional health insurance is like forcing people who only drink tea to buy a coffee pot.
“Mandating that all Americans purchase health insurance is akin to requir[ing] every American to buy a new Chevy Impala every year, to help the automobile industry, Barnett said.”
LOL - don’t give ‘em any more bright ideas! :)
I’d urge people to donate to his GOP opponent if they can.
Limbaugh said Obama is getting what he wanted a complete makeover of the U.S. into a country with bureaucratic control over individual lives.This video from one year ago sums up Lord Obama very nicely.
FIVE FREAKIN STARS!!!
How is it possible you made me fall in Love with Paulie even more! He truly is perfect NOW!
BTW when I came upon your Paulie States I was listening to Hotzzzzz Robin Thicke singing Lost Without You, another perfect Paulie moment!
Thank you hugs & kisses!
SM-Roy Ayers on now -g-
Can this be posted on FB?