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Starship pilots: speed kills, especially warp speed
http://www.newscientist.com ^ | February 17 2010 | Valerie Jamieson

Posted on 02/18/2010 3:22:11 PM PST by Para-Ord.45

Star Trek fans, prepare to be disappointed. Kirk, Spock and the rest of the crew would die within a second of the USS Enterprise approaching the speed of light.

The problem lies with Einstein's special theory of relativity. It transforms the thin wisp of hydrogen gas that permeates interstellar space into an intense radiation beam that would kill humans within seconds and destroy the spacecraft's electronic instruments.

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To: Para-Ord.45

Duh, they have navigational deflectors. And in fact, they have Bussard collectors to capture the interstellar hydrogen as fuel.


21 posted on 02/18/2010 3:31:09 PM PST by Sloth (Civil disobedience? I'm afraid only the uncivil kind is going to cut it this time.)
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To: cripplecreek

It was warp speed, if I’m not mistaken. Engage!


22 posted on 02/18/2010 3:31:22 PM PST by RedCell (Honor thy Father (9/6/07) - Semper Fi / "...it is their duty, to throw off such government...")
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To: Para-Ord.45
This may be, but I'll choose to believe not. ;)

There were 'scientists' that said that trains traveling more than 45 miles per hour would kill because the human body would not hold up. The speed of sound was another 'limit' that was called the Sound Barrier for many many years. All it took was unknown at that time technology.

There is a theoretical hydrogen ram engine that would collect these sparse particles and turn them into fuel. I figure if they can be imagined into a collector they can also be an imagined 'repeller' to move them.

In any case, I doubt anybody reading this today will even know for sure.

23 posted on 02/18/2010 3:31:29 PM PST by kAcknor ("A pistol! Are you expecting trouble sir?" "No ma'am, were I expecting trouble I'd have a rifle.")
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To: thesharkboy

You’re apparently missing a hit off this guy’s bong.


24 posted on 02/18/2010 3:31:49 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (I'm Ellie Light!)
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To: Para-Ord.45

The whole thing is silly, but the article seems to misunderstand the premise of the notion of “warp drive” both of the fictional variety in Star Trek and the variety arising in speculative mathematical physics in the guise of exotic solutions to Einstein’s equations: the warp driven starship is not traveling at superluminal speed through space, it is changing the shape of space around it.

Of course, neither did the graphics and concept designers for Star Trek, as they made it look like the Enterprise was traveling through space.


25 posted on 02/18/2010 3:32:04 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: Fiddlstix

Wait he is using CBO numbers


26 posted on 02/18/2010 3:32:11 PM PST by al baby (Hi Mom sarc ;))
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To: rabidralph

My Momma always said I was spatial.


27 posted on 02/18/2010 3:32:18 PM PST by Sloth (Civil disobedience? I'm afraid only the uncivil kind is going to cut it this time.)
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To: Para-Ord.45

I had a feeling this would be a problem. Along with that lingering uncertainty about whether a tree falling in the forest makes a sound when no one’s there, etc.


28 posted on 02/18/2010 3:32:26 PM PST by dr_who
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To: Fiddlstix

No that is true. Time dilation is responsible for that effect.

In fact, it would only take 30 human years to get to the opposite site of the universe, if the ship could allow for ever increasing speed, yet never need to be at the speed of light once done.

However, the Earth would have passed away hundreds of millions of years earlier. Odd, huh?


29 posted on 02/18/2010 3:32:48 PM PST by ConservativeMind (Hypocrisy: "Animal rightists" who eat meat & pen up pets while accusing hog farmers of cruelty.)
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To: Para-Ord.45

Appropriate shielding was developed long before hyperspace drives came along. One of the secrets was to turn the field off and on 100,000/second. Consequently, most particles would be deflected.


30 posted on 02/18/2010 3:32:53 PM PST by Citizen Tom Paine
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To: thesharkboy
I think your problem is that your brain is 5,000 times smarter than the guy who wrote this.
31 posted on 02/18/2010 3:33:01 PM PST by TWfromTEXAS (Life is the one choice that pro choicers will not support.)
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To: Para-Ord.45

The books indicate that the warp field takes the ship out of normal space and moves it into a different space. Within the warp field the ship moves at normal speeds (or is maybe even motionless) relative to the field and the field itself is what moves or appears to move from point a to point b in normal space. Under these principles, the ship never reaches relativistic speeds within normal space.

To move in normal space, they used impulse engines.

Whatever. I’m not a geek. I can resist commenting on star trek physics threads as well as the next person.


32 posted on 02/18/2010 3:33:08 PM PST by FateAmenableToChange
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To: thesharkboy
You were asking ...

Huh? If it takes light 50,000 years to make this distance, how are people going to do it in 10? Am I missing something?

Ummmm..., Warp 9 and wormholes.. :-)



Give me all she's got, Scotty!



33 posted on 02/18/2010 3:33:45 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Fiddlstix
I think time is compressed for those traveling near the SOL.

Real time for them might be ten years, while back on Earth, 50,000 years would pass.

34 posted on 02/18/2010 3:34:07 PM PST by Dacus943
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To: Sloth
And in fact, they have Bussard collectors to capture the interstellar hydrogen as fuel.

In other words, "ram air" hood scoops.

35 posted on 02/18/2010 3:34:32 PM PST by Disambiguator
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To: Sloth

And you still are :-)


36 posted on 02/18/2010 3:34:34 PM PST by rabidralph ("Precedenting" is a lot tougher than community organizing.)
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To: RightOnline

That is why we use wormholes and StarBursts in reality. Jeez.

LLS


37 posted on 02/18/2010 3:35:18 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (hussama will never be my president... NEVER!)
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To: Fiddlstix
Methinks you need to check your math......

Maybe it's ten years in ship time, since the ship is traveling at relativistic speeds and time would appear to slow down for them. From our perspective back on earth, it would take them 50,002 years if they could accelerate instantly to near light speed.

38 posted on 02/18/2010 3:35:55 PM PST by FateAmenableToChange
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To: thesharkboy

“Huh? If it takes light 50,000 years to make this distance, how are people going to do it in 10? Am I missing something?”

WOW!

Have you not heard of Warp Factor 500?!?

What a N00B. /sarc


39 posted on 02/18/2010 3:36:10 PM PST by RinaseaofDs
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To: Star Traveler

She can’t take anymore, Cap’n! She’s gunna blow!


40 posted on 02/18/2010 3:36:59 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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