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Obamacare worth the price to Democrats (GOP Will Not Repeal It)
http://www.ocregister.com ^ | March 5, 2010 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 03/05/2010 4:09:43 PM PST by Para-Ord.45

Why is he doing this? Why let "health" "care" "reform" stagger on like the rotting husk in a low-grade creature feature who refuses to stay dead no matter how many stakes you pound through his chest?

Because it's worth it. Big time. I've been saying in this space for two years that the governmentalization of health care is the fastest way to a permanent left-of-center political culture. It redefines the relationship between the citizen and the state in fundamental ways that make limited government all but impossible. In most of the rest of the Western world, there are still nominally "conservative" parties, and they even win elections occasionally, but not to any great effect (Let's not forget that Jacques Chirac was, in French terms, a "conservative").

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The result is a kind of two-party one-party state: Right-of-center parties will once in a while be in office, but never in power, merely presiding over vast left-wing bureaucracies that cruise on regardless.

Republicans are good at keeping the seat warm. A bigtime GOP consultant was on TV, crowing that Republicans wanted the Dems to pass Obamacare because it's so unpopular it will guarantee a GOP sweep in November.

OK, then what? You'll roll it back – like you've rolled back all those other unsustainable entitlements premised on cobwebbed actuarial tables from 80 years ago? Like you've undone the federal Department of Education and of Energy and all the other nickel'n'dime novelties of even a universally reviled one-term loser like Jimmy Carter?

Look at it from the Dems' point of view. You pass Obamacare. You lose the 2010 election, which gives the GOP co-ownership of an awkward couple of years. And you come back in 2012 to find your health care apparatus is still in place, a fetid behemoth of toxic pustules oozing all over the basement, and, simply through the natural processes of government, already bigger and more expensive and more bureaucratic than it was when you passed it two years earlier. That's a huge prize, and well worth a midterm timeout.

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1 posted on 03/05/2010 4:09:43 PM PST by Para-Ord.45
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"the governmentalization of health care is the fastest way to a permanent left-of-center political culture."
2 posted on 03/05/2010 4:10:54 PM PST by Touch Not the Cat
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To: Para-Ord.45
Mark Steyn you are an idiot.

This is not politics as usual, certainly not like you have in Canada.

I think if this country see’s November elections with blood flowing in the streets will be a miracle.

God, I truly hope I am wrong.

There is not a single person in either party that has my trust, nor the trust of millions of others.

Think about it before you sprout of any other BS

3 posted on 03/05/2010 4:14:22 PM PST by BornToBeAmerican (“If you think education is expensive try ignorance.”)
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To: Para-Ord.45

OMG Steyn keeps geeting more and more brilliant!!!!!!


4 posted on 03/05/2010 4:14:46 PM PST by Mr. K (This administration IS WEARING OUT MY CAPSLOCK KEY!)
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To: Touch Not the Cat

The NAZIs started the whole National Health Care thingy, they saw it as the way to control people. But it quickly cost them too much money. Then came their experiments with Eugenics, which proved too slow to dispose of the undesirables, so they moved on to genocide.

Remember the goal of the NAZIs was to get to the super race.

Perfection of mankind is at the heart of all the two-bit tin pots that have plagued humans through time. And they all have the same ending ... genocide.


5 posted on 03/05/2010 4:14:50 PM PST by Tarpon ( ...Rude crude socialist Obama depends on ignorance to force his will on people)
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To: BornToBeAmerican

who are you ranting about? Steyn is a genious


6 posted on 03/05/2010 4:15:16 PM PST by Mr. K (This administration IS WEARING OUT MY CAPSLOCK KEY!)
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To: Para-Ord.45

I should have added that the GOP had BETTER REPEAL it!!!!!


7 posted on 03/05/2010 4:15:19 PM PST by BornToBeAmerican (“If you think education is expensive try ignorance.”)
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To: Para-Ord.45

Mark Steyn, poignant and concise as always.


8 posted on 03/05/2010 4:16:13 PM PST by GOP_Raider (<----Click over there for a special message from GOP_Raider)
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To: Mr. K
He's not. He is playing the same old game that we are all trying to get away from.

The crap he is talking about will only happen if people like you and me let it.

Are you going too? If not, then where is his genius?

9 posted on 03/05/2010 4:18:05 PM PST by BornToBeAmerican (“If you think education is expensive try ignorance.”)
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To: Touch Not the Cat; Liz; AT7Saluki; writer33
(GOP Will Not Repeal It)

The GOP can not repeal it. Hussein would have to sign it. Ain't no way.

10 posted on 03/05/2010 4:18:38 PM PST by Libloather (Tea totaler, PROUD birther, mobster, pro-lifer, anti-warmer, enemy of the state, extremist....)
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To: BornToBeAmerican

Steyn is nobody’s idiot.

This all depends on who gets to run it. Why do you think McLame was the 2008 chosen to lose candidate?


11 posted on 03/05/2010 4:19:50 PM PST by dforest
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To: BornToBeAmerican

“I should have added that the GOP had BETTER REPEAL it!!!!! “

But they won`t, that is Steyn`s point. Even Jefferson in hi State of the Union address called for an amendment for a department of education, Congress said no.

What have the GOP repealed ?

Nothing.

The USA moves 2 steps forward, then the GOP gain power and take a baby step back, if that. Nothing is changing except the size of the Centralized State which only gets bigger.

Said it before say it again, time for the Tea Party to coalesce into a truly Classical Liberal/Constitutional party.


12 posted on 03/05/2010 4:20:33 PM PST by Para-Ord.45
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Okay, I mean’t the day following this bill comming into law (if) the GOP speaks of nothing else than repeal for the next 2 yrs and wash their hands clean


13 posted on 03/05/2010 4:21:07 PM PST by BornToBeAmerican (“If you think education is expensive try ignorance.”)
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Unlike the Stupid Party and timid conservatives, the Left understands power exists to advance their agenda. They can relax about conservatives because in their two party one party state, the Right will be good managers of the statist status quo. The GOP has never once rolled back Big Government. So why not go for broke? The Democrats understand their opposition better than their opposition understands them.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find only things evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelogus

14 posted on 03/05/2010 4:21:28 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Para-Ord.45

Any federal version of health care is unconstitutional since Article 1 Section 8 does not specifically grant Congress the power to regulate health care. People are not bound to comply with any unconstitutional act by Congress. This is the point people need to hammer home with their Congress critters!


15 posted on 03/05/2010 4:23:08 PM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: BornToBeAmerican

Are you on the thread you think you are on?


16 posted on 03/05/2010 4:24:14 PM PST by ecomcon
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To: Para-Ord.45
“I should have added that the GOP had BETTER REPEAL it!!!!! “
But they won`t, that is Steyn`s point. Even Jefferson in hi State of the Union address called for an amendment for a department of education, Congress said no.
Politics as usual. Do you have any idea how pi$$ed the one in six are who don't have jobs? Or of the countless who have lost houses, but even more than that, the sheer number being told what they can or cannot do. If we do nothing, we are no better than the jews being led to the gas chambers. And how dare we tell our military that we are proud of them for protecting our country, when it is NOT the same AMERICA upon return that it was when they left
17 posted on 03/05/2010 4:26:26 PM PST by BornToBeAmerican (“If you think education is expensive try ignorance.”)
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Yes, I believe Steyn is correct. It's not absolutely impossible to roll back government but very difficult. If the damn thing turns out to be a disaster as I'm sure it will, then it can be rolled back.

Obama is demonstrating that he is a total ideologue. He is willing to sacrifice his presidency for this. He will surely be defeated in 2012 but I believe he believes people will have forgotten about this by then. Social Security wasn't as big a deal as people's health care. People will recoil in horror when they get this. And there won't be any passing of the buck. It will fall on the Democrats and the Democrats ONLY. The people will take it out on them. Or will they? Only time will tell.
18 posted on 03/05/2010 4:29:04 PM PST by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough!)
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To: ecomcon

Yep, I am sick of people telling me how it is going to be.

Does Mark Know. If then how does he know? If he knows so much, then why not tell us how to stop it, either this time around or the next. But STOP it, turn it around and NOY settle. Becasue if we settle, every life lost fighting for this country was in vain.


19 posted on 03/05/2010 4:29:32 PM PST by BornToBeAmerican (“If you think education is expensive try ignorance.”)
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To: BornToBeAmerican

[Mark Steyn you are an idiot.]

Au contraire, again Steyn hits nail on head.


20 posted on 03/05/2010 4:31:34 PM PST by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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