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New York floods mailboxes with 700,000 vintage tax-delinquency letters: You may be a debtor!
syracuse.com ^ | 3/14/2010 | Michelle Breidenbach

Posted on 03/14/2010 10:06:20 AM PDT by Altura Ct.

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1 posted on 03/14/2010 10:06:21 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: Altura Ct.

“Tax money, tax money, where for art thou, tax money?”


2 posted on 03/14/2010 10:09:23 AM PDT by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: mlocher

What would stop a state from simply making up “debt” that is owed and then trying to collect it?


3 posted on 03/14/2010 10:10:27 AM PDT by Carling (I'm a neo-McCartyite ... Obama is a Communist.)
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To: Altura Ct.

The people ought to pay their tax bill with their credit card.

And then default on their credit card.

Because they already paid the credit-card bill with the financial bailouts.

That the government paid with taxpayer money, against the will of the taxpayer.

Let the snake eat its own gangrened body.


4 posted on 03/14/2010 10:11:15 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: Altura Ct.

What happened to statute of limitations, due diligence lien processes and credit reporting by state at time of assignment of debt?
Sounds like ex post facto and abandonment of property by the state.


5 posted on 03/14/2010 10:12:18 AM PDT by bunkerhill7
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To: Carling
What would stop a state from simply making up “debt” that is owed and then trying to collect it?

I think that is exactly what is happening. I would love to see each and every one of the 700,000 letters be followed by process that takes them to NY state tax court. That would be one way to grind this lunacy to a halt.

6 posted on 03/14/2010 10:12:19 AM PDT by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: Altura Ct.
Now they want the coins from under the cushions of the couch.

Wake up Dagwood ... The revenuers are here!

7 posted on 03/14/2010 10:13:26 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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You know there WILL be a salt shaker fine.


8 posted on 03/14/2010 10:15:17 AM PDT by donhunt (America needs Obama-care like Nancy Pelosi needs a Halloween mask.)
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To: Altura Ct.
Recently a Massachusetts court ruled that any bank trying to foreclose on a mortgage must be able to present *every* document relevant to that mortgage...including ones connected to the selling of the debt by one creditor to another...or the foreclosure is halted.

People who have gotten these notices should storm the courtrooms demanding documentary proof that the tax was,in fact,owed and that it was not,in fact,paid.Otherwise...."case dismissed"!

9 posted on 03/14/2010 10:17:57 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Host The Beer Summit-->Win The Nobel Peace Prize!)
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I don't think New York is the only state doing this, I received a letter from a collection agency ostensibly working for the state on Virgina to collect a tax debt from 1985 for around $2000 in my fathers name. The only problem, my father moved out of Virginia in 1983 and died in 2000, his estate has been closed out for 10 years. I could have sent them a copy of his death certificate and probate records but I decided “screw it”, let them waste time and money trying to collect from a dead man. If I receive another letter, I think I'll forward it to cemetery in which he is buried.
10 posted on 03/14/2010 10:19:08 AM PDT by apillar
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To: Carling

“What would stop a state from simply making up “debt” that is owed and then trying to collect it?”
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Only their deep and abiding sense of honor and fairness, or maybe Leprechauns or Pixies.


11 posted on 03/14/2010 10:24:57 AM PDT by RipSawyer (Trying to reason with a leftist is like trying to catch sunshine in a fish net at midnight.)
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I would not be surprised to see more backlash against the IRS in NY.


12 posted on 03/14/2010 10:28:24 AM PDT by thethirddegree
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“We really did try to present it as an opportunity, not as a mandate or a requirement or a bill,” Woodward said.

Why pay an "opportunity"? How much will this cost to hire employees to deal with this and how much will it cost to track down delinquent taxpayers?

13 posted on 03/14/2010 10:29:00 AM PDT by bgill (The framers of the US Constitution established an entire federal government in 18 pages.)
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A birth certificate from the 1960's?
I dunno. Someone saw it. But someone said it was destroyed in a fire. Someone else says those records were discarded. Long form? Short form? This hospital? That hospital? Who knows??

A tax debt from the 1950's?
Got that right here, brother. It's black and white. Here's what you owe, and here's the deadline. Pay up, or we'll take everything you have. Don't argue with the government -- we've got the goods on you.

14 posted on 03/14/2010 10:31:13 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (We're all heading toward red revolution - we just disagree on which type of Red we want.)
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To: Altura Ct.
There is no statute of limitations on these debts.

I had to read to the end of the article to find this out. I cannot believe that NY has no SOL on taxes. That is just outrageous. The only other law that I know of that has no SOL is murder. The feds have a 3 year SOL on tax liability, 6 for fraud.

There ought to be a due process claim that can be brought as a class action and prevent the state from enforcing tax debts longer than the federal SOL.

15 posted on 03/14/2010 10:35:15 AM PDT by Defiant (Democrats have chosen to follow Karl. I choose to follow George.)
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Aren’t they doing that now?


16 posted on 03/14/2010 10:37:58 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Live jubtabulously!)
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To: Gay State Conservative
Recently a Massachusetts court ruled that any bank trying to foreclose on a mortgage must be able to present *every* document relevant to that mortgage...including ones connected to the selling of the debt by one creditor to another...or the foreclosure is halted.

That is a proper ruling. It would also be proper to force the government to prove the underlying tax debt, not just show a piece of paper with a number on it. Since they probably can't do it on any of these, they will go away.

They are going after those who are willing to pay the nuisance value on these cases.

17 posted on 03/14/2010 10:38:07 AM PDT by Defiant (Democrats have chosen to follow Karl. I choose to follow George.)
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I would not be surprised to see more backlash against the IRS in NY.

This isn't the IRS, it's the state of NY. Although the IRS deserves a backlash, too, but for other reasons.

18 posted on 03/14/2010 10:39:13 AM PDT by Defiant (Democrats have chosen to follow Karl. I choose to follow George.)
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To: Altura Ct.

I’m willing to bet that the vast majority of those delinquent taxes for all of those years are owed by DEMOCRATS! They are the group who usually feel that taxes are for others to pay.


19 posted on 03/14/2010 10:42:26 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: Altura Ct.
I wonder if my father got one. He died in 1994.

NY State was always after him for an "Unincorporated Business Tax" they said he owed for the days before in incorporated. My father was an outside salesman who usually represented several women's clothing firms. In the NYS law defining an unincorporated business it says (or said at the time) something like , "No person shall be deemed to be an unincorporated solely because he is an outside sales man representing more than one firm."

A rapacious government is such a nice thing.

ML/NJ

20 posted on 03/14/2010 10:43:22 AM PDT by ml/nj
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