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To: allmendream

>Men were not meant to be ruled, but to be free.

Then explain the paradox of [man’s] Freedom in Servitude, to God, the Ultimate Ruler.

>Free men may elect men to govern them. Only slaves are ruled.

I disagree. Again I point to Jesus who _is_ the Ultimate Governor _AS WELL AS_ the Ultimate Ruler. {i.e. If I had a choice to be governed it would be Jesus [He is, after all, Prophet, Priest, & King]; but if He declares Himself to be Ruler, who am I [or you] to disagree?}

>All aristocratic “right” to rule, yes. By embracing the concept of aristocracy you embrace your own slavery.

Oh, Epic Fail on the spiritual front! [You have _not_ differentiated spiritual from the physical to counter my examples of David and Saul being Divinely Appointed to rule.]
Galatians 3:28 - “There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.”

>Unless you deem yourself a rightful ruler, in which case you are a wannabe tyrant who would enslave his fellow man.

So you would call Jesus [and all the Saints] a “wannabe tyrant”?
Rev 1:5-6 [KJV]
“And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, And hath made us *kings and priests* unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.”

As you can see, here Jesus makes us [Christians] into Kings and Priests for/to/of God.


445 posted on 03/31/2010 10:35:16 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark
Epic fail on the political front.

I am not talking theology, but how men govern their affairs.

Men were not meant to be ruled, but to be free. That is inherent in our founding philosophy and documents that it is our GOD given right to be free. You may think that God bequeathed slavery to you, but that is your own misconception. We were endowed by our Creator with inalienable rights, among them to be free.

A man who claims to be King is not Jesus. Our founding was decidedly anti-aristocracy. “No King but Jesus” was a common revolutionary slogan. Jesus was the Son of God, but he was also the son of a carpenter and learned a skill, he was not by that measure an aristocrat, nor did he claim his power was because of some hereditary allotment from God, Jesus IS God.

Epic fail on the theology front.

You are one confused individual. Freedom is bequeathed to us by God, God means for us to be free. Our founding recognizes our God given right to be free, not our God given slavery.

525 posted on 04/01/2010 7:10:30 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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