Court Martial Likely, Legal Defense Fund Established [wants truth on president's eligibility]

Safeguard Our Constitution ^ | 3-30-10 | Press Release

[mlizzy]

Washington, D.C., March 30, 2010. “I am today compelled to make the distasteful choice to invite my own court martial, in pursuit of the truth about the president’s eligibility under the constitution to hold office”, said active duty Army Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin. The American Patriot Foundation, a non-profit group incorporated in 2003 to foster appreciation and respect for the U.S. Constitution, immediately announced it has set up a legal defense fund and will provide Lt. Col. Lakin with a top-flight defense team. Details are available on the foundation’s website, www.safeguardourconstitution.com.

Article II, sec. 1 of the U. S. Constitution explicitly provides that only “natural born” citizens can serve as president and commander-in-chief. Mr. Obama’s continuing refusal to release his original 1961 birth certificate has brought Lt. Col. Lakin to the point where he feels his orders are unlawful, and thus MUST be disobeyed.

[Red Steel]

They say that Congress certifying Obama’s election is the only proof of eligibility anybody can ask for,

This in not correct because Congress can and does violate the US Constitution. For example see this sitting Congress.

[Red Steel]

The officer's and enlisted military oaths are written in importance in a descending order starting with the first clause as being the most important.

"...do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same;...."

[butterdezillion]

Is there any way Obama can get out of this confrontation?

[Red Steel]

However at the point where an action like this gets to the point of an effective legal consideration, their response has been to withdraw the order and moot the case. I do understand this is the class of Plaintiff about which they are most concerned.

There is another action they could do against the doctor...I'm not going to say it online so not to give them any ideas.

[Non-Sequitur]

Court Martial Likely, Legal Defense Fund Established

So if he doesn't get court martialed will he be giving the money back?

[MrRobertPlant2009]

Do soldiers pay for the defense attorneys during a court martial?

I honestly don’t know. I don’t recall Cuba Gooding cutting a check to Tom Cruise.

[wintertime]

The O-5’s are talking
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

What is an O-5?

[Non-Sequitur]

Do soldiers pay for the defense attorneys during a court martial?

They can if they want to. They will be provided a military attorney free of charge.

[Non-Sequitur]

I don’t recall Cuba Gooding cutting a check to Tom Cruise.

Ah that was the immortal Wolfgang Bodison as LCPL Downey who didn't cut the check. Cuba Gooding, Jr. played a witness, as did Noah Wylie. Bodison hasn't had half the career that either of those two have.

[noinfringers]

Need to define natural born citizen ? I think that in the 19th century and perhaps later there were court, up to SCOTUS, decisions that said a NBC was a person born of citizenS on their country’s soil. The Founding Fathers set the base for this opinion by explicitly embedding Vattel’s Law of Nations in Article I Section 8 which gave the meaning to NBC. Many people don’t like the action of the FFs to follow up the requirement for NBC in Article II with Article I. A huge difficulty is wedging open all the info on BHO so people see this man for who he is or is not. I keep in my mind that photo of BHO in the chambers of SCOTUS like he was one of the justices. To me this shows how deep or far up the annointman of BHO goes , by the likes of Soros, muslem money, or what ever cabal brought BHO out of the political woodwork, My hope is in the old saying ‘ the higher they are the harder they fall’.

[butterdezillion]

I think the Constitutional question that people have is whether the 14th Amendment has any impact on the definition of “natural born”. In any event, having the SCOTUS reiterate what the term means would eliminate the excuses for not actually verifying eligibility before placing a candidate on the ballot.

I agree that Obama is a puppet; where and what he was doing before they brought him out for the show is anybody’s guess.

[bitt]

welcome and...can you point us to this picture?? I must have missed it. I’m already spitting, visualizing it....

[bitt]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2484275/posts?q=1&;page=51

read the whole thread - all the way to 51

[bitt]

ping - you love a discussion......

[danamco]

An heroic Patriot:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ea9JVnck_-E&feature=player_embedded

[danamco]

I hope you have all your information that is stored on your hard drive copied unto external drives???

[bushpilot1]

http://www.safeguardourconstitution.com/images/stories/documents/apf06-jagletter0717_001.pdf

JAG’s responds to the Larkin memo.

[world weary]

Are enlisted people legally liable if they carry out orders given by an illegal chain of command, even if the acts ordered to be done are not illegal or unethical? I’ve gotten into discussions with military people who basically say that as long as the person doesn’t ask you to do something which is in itself illegal or unethical you have to obey even if they are illegitimate. They say that Congress certifying Obama’s election is the only proof of eligibility anybody can ask for, and that questioning the ACCURACY of Congress’ certification is insubordination. My son asked me a couple days ago whether the military would side with the right people if the government tried to take guns away (for instance). I told him that would probably only happen under martial law - which is the only instance in which military is supposed to take on law enforcement duties in America. As for what would happen in martial law all I could say was that I don’t know, because I’ve heard so many military folks basically say that their oath to obey renders them incapable of fighting internal enemies to the Constitution who happen to be in the chain of command. Any military folks want to set me straight or help me understand the lines here?

Enlisted people are required to follow the orders of any superior in their chain of command. Basicly as long as the person giving you the order is legitimate you have to do what you're told. Disobeying an order is not an option, if you disobey you are subject to disciplinary action (really depends on how much of a hardass your boss is, i've seen people be charged and jailed, i've seen people pay a fine and have confinement to base). The military needs to run like this, there is a unified chain of command from the soldier, up to his immediate superior ultimatly to the president. The president was confirmed by Congress and voted into office by a majority of the people of the USA, for a soldier thats the only proof of legitimacy required or expected.

As to your other question, it really depends on what the situation is. Simply "taking away the guns" wouldn't qualify as a martial law situation, even if martial law was declared for an emergency reason and military troops used as law enforcement, its more likely that a curfew would be enforced and a "no carry" rule put in place (but then again it depends on what the local commander wants to accomplish, guns in the hands of civillians are a deterrent to crime, so maybe taking away people's guns isn't what you want to do..).

I see that phrase "fighting enemies of the constitution" and have to laugh sometimes, really the oath is "enemies foreign and domestic", this means different things to different people, ultimatly you have to trust that what your commanders are asking you to do is the right thing in the situation, as long as its not illegal (when I say that I'm talking really illegal, not stuff like speeding or other minor crimes) you have to obey. No mass executions of women and children, no torture (as per the Army Field Manual, torture is kind of a wierd one in that respect because you can use stress positions and the like, but no pulling fingernails or using a hammer to break each toe on their foot followed by fingers...just as an example, torture demeans the torturer as much as the person getting tortured, its not good for regular troops to be doing that) or other things classified as "war crimes".

[stephenjohnbanker]

This mans military career history is impeccable. The MSM will have a hard time trashing this guy. May God be with him.

[presently no screen name]

Founder and Historian David Ramsay Defines a Natural Born Citizen in 1789

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2485624/posts