Army to court martial 'birther' officer

msnbc ^ | April 13, 2010 | Mark Murray

[Berlin_Freeper]

U.S. military officials tell NBC News that the U.S. Army will court martial a lieutenant colonel who refuses to deploy to Afghanistan because he considers orders from President Obama to be "illegal."

Army doctor Lt. Col. Terry Lakin believes Obama does not meet the constitutional requirements to be president and commander-in-chief

[Sola Veritas]

By the way....I believe strongly in the “Rule of Law.” But I don’t think we have that anymore. We have “Rule of Lawyers” and it is NOT the same thing.

[kbennkc]

By the way....I believe strongly in the “Rule of Law.” But I don’t think we have that anymore. We have “Rule of Lawyers” and it is NOT the same thing.

Starve those lawyers out ! The next time your government violates the Constitution and wrongly takes your property and/or your liberty , don't hire one . Go it alone . Good luck .

[Sola Veritas]

“Starve those lawyers out ! The next time your government violates the Constitution and wrongly takes your property and/or your liberty , don’t hire one . Go it alone . Good luck.”

Nice shot! However, I’m not for eliminating lawyers. I’m for eliminating them (in the form of judges) making nebulous decisions. No...I don’t want to eliminate the judicial branch (one of three pillars), I just think it has gotten too important and not restrained....to the detriment of the country.

[kbennkc]

I just think it has gotten too important and not restrained....to the detriment of the country.

You have provided a reminder , I shouldn't have needed , to send a nasty gram , keeping polite however , to my RINO Senators that if they don't make life suck scissors for every Obambi judicial appointee till he leaves office , they better accept that lobbiest job .

[Balata]

BTTT!

Great response!

It’s amazing how seemingly isolated facts when accumulated show THE BIG PICTURE!

[DoughtyOne]

Thanks Blood of Tyrants. I agree.

[butterdezillion]

Exactly. Any one detail might be just a dot. But every image on this screen is made up of little dots that somebody (us) is standing far enough away from that we can see the pattern. We’re not tinfoil-hat-wearing idiots because we read what’s on our screen, and we’re not idiots if we verify individual facts and then stand back and see what they mean, all together.

Instead of doing the Alinsky thing of blowing us off as nutcases, the media should be checking out each individual dot. I’ve spent an incredible amount of time doing that, and I believe my documentation is solid. And I think the individual dots form a sobering picture to those who are willing to stand back far enough to see it. Some of the dots are at
http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2010/01/11/red-flags-in-hawaii-2/

[jamese777]

I see your point. However, if a judge throws out a case for being “frivolous”, doesn’t he/she usually say so? The SCOTUS didn’t say anything. In other cases, the “lack of standing” that is a point that I, as a non-attorney, just will not agree with you or the judges. EVERY citizen has standing....because all are affected by who sits as SCOTUS.

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The Supreme Court has a longstanding tradition of not commenting on the cases they refuse to hear. Since they turn down about 98% of the cases sent to them, perhaps you can see why.

The Supreme Court itself doesn’t reject on standing grounds, they either uphold or invalidate a lower court’s ruling on standing.

Standing usually hinges on can someone attempting to sue show DIRECT not indirect harm or injury.

The person with standing who might be able to demonstrate DIRECT injury from Barack Obama being an illegal candidate and being elected is John Sidney McCain, the only other person to receive Electoral votes. But he has not sued or entered any existing suit as a co-plaintiff.

A second issue that judges look for in determining legal standing is “justiciablity” a fancy word for does the Court have a remedy that it can impose for the injury.

There is nowhere in the US Constitution that the Supreme Court has the power to remove a sitting president. That power is the sole domain of Congress via impeachment, trial and conviction. The Courts might be able to stop and illegal candidate but once that person is elected, impeachment is the answer. With specific regard to the US Supreme Court, this is a “separation of powers” issue and its rather unfortunate that the more conservative and originalist a Justice is, the less likely they are to get involved in ruling on issues for which the Constitution is mute. Conservative tend to be loath to invent powers.
In my humble opinion, the place for Obama eligibility issues is in the criminal courts, not the civil courts.
Grand Juries have prosecuting attorneys who can subpoena documents.

[kbennkc]

In my humble opinion, the place for Obama eligibility issues is in the criminal courts, not the civil courts. Grand Juries have prosecuting attorneys who can subpoena documents

Good point . I ask my self what kind of evidence would convince a fellow citizen beyond a reasonable doubt , that I was not born in cabin , unattended birth , near Pagosa Springs , Colorado as my shaky Colorado paper work says I was before stripping me of my citizenship . I hope my peers would insist on evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that I was born elsewhere to overcome the prima facie effect of the Colorado documents . You never know , Colorado wasn't even a state until 100 years after the Declaration of Independence , so you can see why their records are suspect .

[mrreaganaut]

[Clinton] lied under oath, and was impeached. Wimpy Senate would not look at the evidence and failed to convict an remove. The matter, while serious, pales in comparison to usurping the office of President.

Exactly my point - nobody wants to be in the middle of a political fight. The courts themselves refuse to hear "political matters." Paula Jones got into court on the basis of Clinton's acts as a private citizen, but the Senate had to impeach him as President. Anybody who thinks that anything less than a strong Republican Senate will do anything about Obama, based on his eligibility or for any other reason, is indulging in a fantasy.

Sorry.

[Sola Veritas]

“In my humble opinion, the place for Obama eligibility issues is in the criminal courts, not the civil courts.
Grand Juries have prosecuting attorneys who can subpoena documents.”

Aren’t federal grand juries limited in there scope? Or can any federal grand jury bring up this issue and start the ball rolling? Could an uncooperative judge of prosecutor derail any such attempt? If so...so much for that.

[Sola Veritas]

“With specific regard to the US Supreme Court, this is a “separation of powers” issue and its rather unfortunate that the more conservative and originalist a Justice is, the less likely they are to get involved in ruling on issues for which the Constitution is mute. Conservative tend to be loath to invent powers.”

So my own conservatism and desire for “originalist” judges essentially kills what I want done by the SCOTUS. How ironic. The humor does not escape me.

[jamese777]

“Politics makes strangebedfellows!” Maybe Obama will appoint two more Justices who will interpret the “living document” to mean that they can remove him!

[thouworm]

"As far as can be determined from incomplete records, Mrs. Roberts and Miss Mooney paid his fare to Hawaii and provided a partial scholarship."

quote from Airlift to America excerpt

more on Afican Colonial Thread, post #373

[Fred Nerks]

As far as can be determined from incomplete records, Mrs. Roberts and Miss Mooney paid his fare to Hawaii and provided a partial scholarship.

No matter how often I read that very comprehensive information you posted, the one thing I cannot find anywhere is a firm, verified date of WHEN Obama Senior left Kenya.

[thouworm]

FN: I could have sworn I posted this long ago, but I could not find it, so I am posting here and on African Colonial.
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Unlikely Events Recall Story of This President
By Mike Seccombe

We are all the products of a series of accidents, really. Every human is a personification of chaos theory. As a butterfly flaps its wings and sets in train a hurricane, an act of generosity 50 years ago in Kenya gives America a President.

To explain. There were two American teachers, Helen Roberts and Elizabeth Mooney living in Nairobi in the late 1960s, and they had taken a shine to a bright young student. They wanted to foster his brilliance and they paid for him to fly to America to continue his education. That Kenyan man was Barack Obama Sr.

He went to Hawaii to study, and met a young woman. They had a son, who now is the President. But for the goodness of Ms. Roberts and Ms. Mooney, you could argue, the President’s parents would never have met.

But chaos theory involves infinitely complex causation. You could also argue that without the vision of a Kenyan man named Tom Mboya, the President would not exist either. For he arranged for the University of Hawaii to offer the scholarship taken by the senior Mr. Obama. And Mr. Mboya’s activities, in turn, depended on the dedication of a group of activists in America.

Cora Weiss

Cora Weiss, a 53-year summer resident of the Vineyard, was one of those activists. One of the main ones, in fact. And now a book has been written, Airlift to America, chronicling their efforts in bringing hundreds of African students to America to study, between 1959 and 1963.

The book was written by Tom Shachtman, much of it from records which had been stored in Mrs. Weiss’s garage for nearly 50 years. She also did many of the interviews.

“I was the executive director [1959-1963] of something called the African-American Students’ Foundation, set up in 1959 to facilitate the travel and care and feeding of what became nearly 800 students from East Africa,” she recalled on Wednesday, sitting in the kitchen of her Aquinnah home.

The organization began because Mr. Mboya, a Kenyan labor activist, became concerned about how his country would function, once it gained independence from British colonial rule. To the considerable displeasure of the British, he determined the country should look to America to help educate its future leaders.

“Tom was a young man, ambitious, brilliant. It was the height of colonialism there and of the civil rights movement here,” Mrs. Weiss said. “And Tom did a tour of American colleges, setting up scholarships everywhere, including the University of Hawaii.

“Then he [Mboya] said, ‘But we need an organization to run this.’

“So a few of us gathered in New York and I became the executive director, and on the board of directors,” Mrs. Weiss said. With the initial support of two other families in Riverdale, in the Bronx, where Mrs. Weiss and her husband Peter lived, they started it.

“I worked with a man named Frank Montero and a woman raised in a Japanese concentration camp in California named Mary Hamanaka,” she recalled.

“We were very fortunate in that guy named Milton Gordon, who owned Lassie the dog — Lassie was quite a property in those days — and Milton had an office in the Seagram Building in New York and he let us have a room in his office. That’s where we worked from.”

The Weisses were no strangers to activism of this sort. Peter Weiss was on the board of the American Committee on Africa, “a very strong anti-colonial organization.”

“And I had spent my years at the University of Wisconsin at the international club setting up speaking dates for the few foreign students there, so they could have some pin money. I helped the few African students there organize a student union,” said Mrs. Weiss.

She also helped raise funds for Martin Luther King’s civil rights campaign. The Weisses were connected, as evidenced by the fact that Dr. King himself persuaded the Georgia university to take six students.

The cause of helping these African achievers to further their education was always closely connected to the civil rights movement. “This country in those days had hundreds of small white Christian colleges in the South, who would not take a ‘negro.’ But would take a foreign student. So I think these black African students helped open the door a bit.

“The first plane was paid for because Harry Belafonte, Jackie Robinson and Sidney Poitier, together signed a fundraising letter,” Mrs. Weiss said. “In that first group of 1959, 81 students came.”

“Barack Obama missed out on a seat on that first plane. Luckily the two teachers stepped in and raised money for him to come over on a parallel flight,” she said.

“He picked up the scholarship from the University of Hawaii. And while he was there, he needed money for books and tuition and clothes, some of which we sent him.

“So he wasn’t on the airlift, but he was a member of the airlift family.”

VineYard Gazette Online

[Fred Nerks]

To explain. There were two American teachers, Helen Roberts and Elizabeth Mooney living in Nairobi in the late 1960s...

I think she meant to say 1950's?

“Barack Obama missed out on a seat on that first plane. Luckily the two teachers stepped in and raised money for him to come over on a parallel flight,” she said.

There it is again...that NEED to show Obama Senior's arrival coincided with the first airlift, when in fact, he had already been in Hawaii months before it landed:

THE OBAMA FILE

"When Senior arrived in Hawaii in June 1959, Kenya's future president, Jomo Kenyatta was in jail in Kenya," as reported by a story done in Hawaiian paper after he arrived:

"The Washington Post reported that when Barack Obama, Sr. first arrived in Hawaii he was interviewed by the Hawaiian Press, the reporter Hirozawa relays Obama’s comments, "he would study business administration and wanted to return to Kenya to help with its transition from tribal customs to a modern economy."

He was concerned, he said, about his generation’s disorientation as Kenyans rejected old ways yet struggled with "westernization," the date of the story was June, 1959.

THE FIRST AFRICAN AIRLIFT ARRIVALS IN SEPTEMBER 1959

The baseball legend Jackie Robinson, who backed efforts to bring African students to the United States, greets the first “African Airlift” arrivals in New York in September 1959. Robinson later urged presidential candidate Richard M. Nixon to support the 1960 airlifts, appealing to Nixon’s interest in courting black voters in the upcoming election. Courtesy Library of Congress, Manuscript Division, Jackie Robinson Papers.

[Sola Veritas]

“Maybe Obama will appoint two more Justices who will interpret the “living document” to mean that they can remove him!”

No thanks....I would rather wait until 2012 and vote him out than to have judges that ammend the constitution from the bench.... :-) I’m like you...time to write serious letters to Senators to NOT allow left of center judges be appointed by POTUS Obama.

You know....on a side note...I have always thought that whenever the SCOTUS produces a “landmark” decision that fundamentally changes how the constitution is viewed (in essence ammending it), that the decision should not be allowed to stand until ratified by 3/4 of the states like any ammendment must be. That would be a nice check and balance on “living document” advocates sitting on the bench. Of course that would really limit the power of the SCOTUS which can be a two edged sword.

[Albertafriend]

Here’s some info to chew on a bit. Cora Weiss, who must be ancient by now, is called here the “Red Queen of Peace”.

http://97.74.65.51/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=20730

How about that—another communist connection! What a surprise!

[Albertafriend]

Here’s some info to chew on a bit. Cora Weiss, who must be ancient by now, is called here the “Red Queen of Peace”.

http://97.74.65.51/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=20730

How about that—another communist connection! What a surprise!

Also here is video interview with her about the African Air Lift. I haven’t got time to watch it but it might be interesting.

http://www.loc.gov/today/cyberlc/feature_wdesc.php?rec=4864