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Judge Finds Helium 'Noxious' Substance Under (NY) Penal Law (now balloons are illegal?)
New York Law Journal ^ | April 23, 2010 | Daniel Wise

Posted on 04/23/2010 8:41:52 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines

In a ruling of first impression, a Criminal Court judge in Manhattan has found helium to be a "noxious material."

Based on that finding, Judge Matthew A. Sciarrino Jr. has allowed the Manhattan District Attorney's Office to proceed with the prosecution of three men arrested for selling helium balloons outside of Madison Square Garden during a Phish rock concert.

The men were charged with a Class B misdemeanor, which is punishable by up to 90 days in jail.

The arresting officer reported seeing "unapprehended individuals" inhaling helium from the balloons.

Although "nothing makes a little kid smile more than being handed a balloon," Judge Sciarrino wrote, helium, if inhaled excessively, can generate "noxious or suffocating fumes" that "can immobilize a person."

Helium balloons are commonly used at social, business and political events ranging from children's birthday parties to celebrations of initial public offerings in front of the New York Stock Exchange. The ruling left open the extent to which event planners and balloon purveyors could be open to prosecution when others abuse their decorations.

A spokesman for the New York Police Department said patrolmen are given "no special instruction" for making arrests involving the sale or possession of helium balloons. The Manhattan district attorney's Office did not respond to a request for comment.

Ellen Forman, the owner of Balloons to Go, said that "if some idiot inhales helium because he thinks he is being cute, it should not be on me."

While inhaling helium can be dangerous for someone with a health condition like asthma, Ms. Forman said that "helium is not poisonous and does not create a high. It just makes your voice squeaky."

Ms. Forman reported selling 21,000 helium balloons to decorate restaurants last New Year's Eve.

The New York State Office of Alcoholism and Substance Abuse has issued an advisory about the use of inhalants that can produce "mood altering" effects when inhaled excessively. While the advisory listed more than a dozen common household products such as glue, spray paint, deodorants and felt tip markers, there is no reference to helium.

Steven J. Pasierb, the president of Partnership for a Drug Free America, however, cautioned that any gas that is "huffed" can be dangerous because it deprives the body of oxygen. Lack of oxygen is what "makes the head spin and creates a dizzy, fuzzy sensation," he added.

Spokespeople for the city and state health departments and the city Department of Consumer Affairs report that their agencies have not issued advisories about helium or sought to regulate its use.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; US: New York
KEYWORDS: balloons; helium; illegal; liberalfascism; lping; nannystate
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Obama is Balloon Boy.
41 posted on 04/23/2010 9:23:31 AM PDT by Frantzie (McCain=Obama's friend. McCain & Graham = La Raza's favorite Senators)
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To: CygnusTheSwan; neverdem; patton; narses; CholeraJoe
All that pressurized CO2 in such a small space.
Betcha the EPA would classify that as a weapon of mass destruction.

Nah. Merely a weapon of mass inflation ... Kinda like a mixture of the Fed, Congress, and the SEC.

(I like the “they were really selling nitrous oxide” theory - though that was NOT what these vendors were being arrested for!)

42 posted on 04/23/2010 9:23:51 AM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Genoa
but what exactly does it do to your vocal cords?

Nothing...difference in the weight of the gas causes the alteration of sound. No physiological changes in the cords.

43 posted on 04/23/2010 9:24:10 AM PDT by A_Tradition_Continues (formerly known as Politicalwit ...05/28/98 Class of '98...PROCESS MATTERS)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
I would suggest that they just need a little common sense instead.

Ain't that the truth.

44 posted on 04/23/2010 9:24:46 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
As a result, there is now a court ruling that, under New York State law helium is a noxious and, therefore, potentially illegal substance.

Which I agree is utterly ridiculous!!!
45 posted on 04/23/2010 9:27:54 AM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

When lawyers try to teach science.
Helium is one of the “noble gas family” which are called that because their valence electron shell is full.

Translation: Helium doesn’t react with anything.
Also since its lighter than Oxygen, it can’t displace it and cause suffication.


46 posted on 04/23/2010 9:31:27 AM PDT by Zathras
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Gosh..why don’t they outlaw nitrogen?


47 posted on 04/23/2010 9:32:49 AM PDT by texmexis best (My)
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To: Little Pig

“Judges obviously need more education”

I think we should bring back the stocks. A large dose of public ridicule is called for.


48 posted on 04/23/2010 9:36:25 AM PDT by meatloaf
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
What about all those old folks who sniff oxygen? What about people selling bottled water? Too much of either one can harm you! The guy is an idiot.


49 posted on 04/23/2010 9:38:59 AM PDT by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: Little Pig
Presumably a gas heavier than our normal atmosphere would produce lower pitches, if you could get it out of your lungs.

Maybe you could test that theory while Xenon is still legal?
50 posted on 04/23/2010 9:39:30 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (NEW TAG ====> **REPEAL OR REBEL!** -- Islam Delenda Est! -- Rumble thee forth)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

The judge does not know what the Biden he is talking about. Helium is an inert gas. The only danger involved in inhaling it is that it contains no oxygen, i.e. similar to an oxygen-deficient atmosphere. This is in fact the danger (”simple asphyxiant”) stressed by Praxair’s Material Safety Data Sheet, and is a hazard shared with nitrogen:

http://www.praxair.com/praxair.nsf/0/e07a16c722ad227385256a860081517c/$FILE/p4602g.pdf

Yes, you could kill yourself with the stuff by strapping a mask to your face and breathing helium while talking like Donald Duck. If you inhaled the contents of a balloon long enough to lose consciousness, though, you would drop the baloon and start breathing air normally.

If oxygen IS present, then helium is completely harmless; some divers use helium-oxygen mixtures to avoid the bends.


51 posted on 04/23/2010 9:40:09 AM PDT by Winged Hussar (http://moveonpleasemoveon.blogspot.com/)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

This judge has real problems. http://www.silive.com/news/index.ssf/2009/10/criminal_court_judge_to_be_tra.html


52 posted on 04/23/2010 9:42:42 AM PDT by Winged Hussar (http://moveonpleasemoveon.blogspot.com/)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Helium is a "noble" gas. It doesn't react with anything. By definition, it can't be "noxious". Too bad lawyers and politicians are too stupid to understand basic high school chemistry.
53 posted on 04/23/2010 9:46:03 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Next thing you know argon and xenon are going to under the judicial microscope!


54 posted on 04/23/2010 9:54:50 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine
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To: Genoa

>>> Slightly off topic, but what exactly does it do to your vocal cords? <<<

Helium does NOTHING to your vocal cords.

The sound changes because of the physical properties of the fluid.


55 posted on 04/23/2010 9:55:09 AM PDT by Pikachu_Dad
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To: hoosier hick
If there was enough nitrogen to flush away all the oxygen in an area, you would indeed feel "faint" fairly quickly. About 10 to 15 seconds would be enough time to feel the effects. A little longer could lead to unconsciousness.

I'm rather surprised that states haven't switched to a gas chamber that just flushes the chamber with pure nitrogen. It is easily flushed when finished and is otherwise inert. The individual being executed would simply pass out and die from lack of oxygen. Odorless. Painless. No toxic poison of any kind.

56 posted on 04/23/2010 9:55:42 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: GeronL

>>>>It makes your voice sqeaky and can ruin your lungs can’t it?<<<

No, it can not ruin your lungs.


57 posted on 04/23/2010 9:56:09 AM PDT by Pikachu_Dad
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

I wonder how this ruling will effect the balloons in the Macy’s Thanksgiving Day Parade? They are helium filled and IIRC on deflation, the helium in them is released to the atmosphere.


58 posted on 04/23/2010 10:29:15 AM PDT by Roccus (......and then there were none.)
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To: hoosier hick

Nitrogen is regularly used to keep up the pressure in underground telephone cables while splices are open for maintenance, etc. I’ve used it many times in manholes with no ill effects so long as normal underground safety practices (venting) were employed.


59 posted on 04/23/2010 10:35:13 AM PDT by Roccus (......and then there were none.)
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To: hoosier hick
While the line was still under construction, a number of our employees claimed they were feeling faint and had headaches that must be from a “leak” in the line! Since 78% (if I remember correctly) of the atmosphere is nitrogen, it was actually pretty funny.....

It's not that funny. Nitrogen is heavier than air and can cause suffocation if trapped in one area.

60 posted on 04/23/2010 10:49:37 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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