Posted on 05/01/2010 9:13:50 AM PDT by epow
When members of the General Assembly decided to pass a bill to repeal Georgia's 140 year old public gathering law on Thursday night, they were confused by the irony of the largest gun rights group in the nation opposing the reform.
SB 308 passed the General Assembly late on the last day of the session. The final version removed two provisions that had been in the bill earlier decriminalizing the carry of weapons by licensed persons in churches and on college campuses. Under the final version, these two locations will remain illegal for carry.
The surprise came when the nation's largest and oldest gun rights lobby, the National Rifle Association, began lobbying against the bill. Earlier in the evening, the NRA had pushed legislators to add language expressly permitting the carry of weapons in airports. This language is already in a bill, SB 291, that the General Assembly passed earlier in the session. SB 291 is awaiting the Governor's signature. The NRA informed legislators that voting in favor of SB 308 without the amendment would be a "scorecard issue," meaning that the NRA would be using the vote against legislators in its ratings. In other words, legislators who voted to remove Georgia's restrictive public gathering law would be punished in ratings from the NRA.
The proposed amendment was never added to SB 308. When the NRA was rebuffed on its proposed amendment, it then began lobbying aggessively against the bill. The local civil rights group GeorgiaCarry.Org was at the Capitol lobbying for SB 308 to pass.
During the Senate debate, Sen. Steve Thompson stood in the well and read from GeorgiaCarry.Org's letter supporting SB 308. Calling GeorgiaCarry.Org's statement that it was tracking the SB 308 vote a "threat," Sen. Thompson....
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It looks like you didn’t do your homework. And the live feed no longer is current.
Fact: The NRA is calling for it’s members to support 308 according to the NRA-ILA website as of April 30.
It’s not that I believe the NRA in all matters. It’s because I will never believe the NRA haters for all the crybaby reasons for not joining.
Reasons Freepers won’t join the NRA or have quit:
They send too much mail.-—
While real Second Amendment supporters are getting out their checkbooks.
I didn’t receive my little plastic keychain.-—
I have about two dozen pieces of junk I can send them. I’m tired of dusting them.
I didn’t receive my hat.-—
I have a shopping bag full.
They didn’t support the fight against the machine gun ban of 1934 or the fight against the 1968 gun law.-—
The NRA wasn’t a lobbying group at the time. They were threatened with a loss of their tax status by the dem party leaders. The NRA became a lobbying group with the ILA in 1974.
They didn’t support Heller.-—
Lie. They supported Heller. They tried to stop Parker which we would have lost. They same idiots who hate George Bush forget he gave us Alito and Roberts. We won Heller because of George Bush and not because of Robert Levy who still doesn’t own a gun. The goa is the only gun group to ask for a narrow view on Heller. The goa still hasn’t filed a single lawsuit because of Heller. It’s the Second Amendment Foundation and the NRA.
There is no longer a Morton Grove handgun ban because of the NRA.
Actually it is because the NRA just like a lot of their die hard pimps have lost most if not all of their honor and credibility on the issue due to their incessant defense of an organization that is more than willing to turn their backs on the 2A when it suits their purpose or politics...
...Instead of attacking its detractors and trying to defend the organization when they step in the big pile, try spending your time trying to straighten the group out!
There are many of us that rejoined the group after a long hiatus, I was a member through-out my 21 years of military service and dropped them after the backroom deals with the Veterans Disarmament Bill that THEY SUPPORTED AND PUSHED. But after the Obamanation took place, I rejoined the group to fight on multiple fronts.
And as a member, I can say anything about the group I damn well please! So again, instead of attacking the messengers, take an active role in straightening out your beloved group! When they do something note worthy, I am more than willing to give them kudo's, But I will call them on the carpet when they screw us, you NRA groupies should be doing the same and hammering them when they step it it... but I'm not holding my breath!
Veterans Disarmament Bill is a complete lie. You’ve been sold a bill of goods by the do-nothing goa.
The procedures to disarm veterans was already in place for over thirty years. It was the NRA which added provisions to allow veterans the ability to get their rights back. A system that wasn’t in place before the bill.
It’s just like this entire thread. The NRA supports SB 308 if the haters would have read the NRA-ILA website.
As I said in the previous post, when credibility and honesty matters, you NRA Groupies just cannot help yourselves... Instead of debate, you as usual, go on the attack, defending the indefensible. So for all the new FR viewers...
‘ole 2.5, the GOA hating NRA member…
Here is a thread where you spewed your typical, and not very enlightened, rant without listening to a word someone else says… Typical 2.5 whining rant about the GOA.
and here you are in another thread and using your typical whining rant with me… 2.5 gets the real facts and then gets caught in a couple of, well let’s say factual distortions.
...and after getting your butt severely kicked to the curb, you then resorted to distortions, twisting everyone’s words and then out right lying about your actions in attempting to defend your weak bias.
Many people have answered your stupid questions MANY times; you just refuse to see it. Point is if you can’t have an honest debate fighting a common enemy, then do everyone else a favor… stay on the sidelines and argue with yourself, don’t try to distort the focus of this fight.
Every 2A group, no matter what you may think of them should be WELCOMED to the struggle we are facing, many former NRA members, myself included, who definitely have no love for the NRA leadership have been going back into the group because the stakes are so high, don’t let your petty bias cloud the big picture.
AOV sends with warmest regards.
Name one thing the goa has ever done on their own without the lazy copy and paste bullshit you’ve been harassing me with.
Wow! 2.5, can you believe its been over a year since you told those big 'ole fibs... Where does the time go? In any case, I'm more than happy to let my fellow FReepers be the judge.
Harassment?! No, not at all, just setting the record straight every time you spout you're usual garbage. So just re-read the post(s) above and you will (AGAIN) get the answers to your silly questions... other than that, keep on keeping on and I'll be here for you! ;-)
Warmest Regards, AOV
I didn't need to do any homework. I am a NRA member of long standing who resides in GA, and I keep a close eye on state and local lawmakers who have the power to deny me the ability to practice my Constitutional rights, especially my 2nd Amendment rights. If your home page is correct you reside in TX, and I doubt that you keep abreast of the success or failure of the gun related legislation that is introduced in the GA General Assembly each year. But I do, and I know for a fact that was witnessed by pro-gun people who I know to be reliable and truthful that NRA's lobbiest on the floor of the Assembly lobbied aggressively AGAINST passage of a crucially important pro-gun bill in the sine die session of the 2010 GA Assembly. The fact that the very next morning NRA-ILA emailed NRA members, including myself, asking for support for the same bill that it lobbied against the day before doesn't change or explain it's perfidious action on the previous day in opposition to a very important pro-gun bill.
I am as puzzled as anyone else by NRA's Saturday endorsement of the same bill that it aggressively lobbied against Friday. But to deny that it took place would be simply closing my eyes to the truth. Nothing that either NRA-ILA or you say or claim now can change what was seen and heard Friday evening by reliable witnesses, to wit, when the rubber met the road NRA was squarely on the wrong side of the track.
This is my final post on this thread. You are of course free to continue believing whatever you want regarding the matter, but believing that NRA didn't do what it is accused of doing won't make it true.
I will say this that if one is convicted of a felony, especially involving a firearm, the right should be abridged unless pardoned by a Governor.
I whole-heartily agree, the 2A cut the Federal government out of the equation, but even the states need to have consistent and fair laws...
One of the "problems" that the GA bill "corrected" is banning citizens from getting a GFL in a haphazard way... if you were convicted of murder you could get your license back, but get convicted of smoking a joint in the '70's when you were under-age and you were banned from carrying a weapon for life.
It’s already been proven by the NRA-ILA’s website that the NRA supports this bill.
It wouldn’t be the first time the NRA haters have lied about the NRA.
NRA-ILA issued the following statement to an NRA member seeking an explanation.
Steve Thompson & Nan Orrock are anti-gun, D & F rated legislators. There statements are absolutely false. I would reconsider your sources.
Your third “source” is invalid, as Seabaugh never stated the NRA was against SB 308.
I don't understand your refusal to admit that NRA's paid lobbyist) was actually lobbying pro-gun GA state Senators and Reps to vote against SB 308, even though there are many pro-gun Assembly members who mentioned to the GCO people on the scene that they were astonished that the NRA was working against passage of the bill.
For some unknown reason you brought up the names Orrock and Thompson. Both legislators are well known in GA to be very much anti-gun, but they played no part in this matter other than speaking and voting against both gun bills just as they were expected to do. Their activities in regard to the bill had NOTHING to do with the FACT that you simply refuse to admit or address, namely that NRA's lobbyist was working AGAINST SB 308's passage. Now that the bill has been passed in spite of the NRA's best efforts to kill it, it will repeal the "public gathering" clause in GA's gun carry license law if, big IF, Perdue signs it. GA gun owners have been trying in vain for years to have that clause repealed, and we are still puzzled by the NRA's lobbying effort against that goal. You keep mentioning that NRA is now urging GA members to petition the Governor to sign SB 308. No GA NRA member is disputing that fact, because we all received the same NRA email to that effect. But the 180 degree reversal by the NRA does NOTHING to justify the NRA working AGAINST passage of SB 308 in Friday's Assembly session. Sorry, but the NRA's 180 degree reversal of course came too late to rectify it's misguided attempt to defeat the bill. If your last few posts are the best you can come up with to try discrediting the accusations that so many eyewitnesses have made against the NRA's misguided lobbying effort, you have not posted ANYTHING that disproves those accusations.
Now I am really and truly done with this thread. You can continue posting whatever distraction from the real issue you can come up with, but no GA gun rights activist who knows what actually went on in that session is buying what you're selling.
Somehow a nameless lobbyist went against the NRA but you posted a headline that claims the NRA is at odds with itself. I posted the NRA supports the bill.
What’s the name of the lobbyist? Why haven’t all these witnesses accuse the lobbyist by identifying him?
Until I know names, I won’t believe a single word of this thread.
Hey epow, I think I'll be adding this thread to my usual response post to this guy, you cannot argue with people like this as most are nothing more than hard core pimps and shills for the NRA who refuse to peer out of their cozy little box and confront the truth for what it is... truly pitiful in this dangerous day and time.
It sounds like the NRA was trying to play a little hardball to make the bill even more pro-gun, but it didn’t fly.
Let’s not cut our noses off to spite our faces. Just keep in mind how rabidly the far left hates the NRA...they must be doing something right.
I am not absolutely certain that any of the conflicting information I was given is 100% correct. But I would like believe that the latest info I have is reliable, and that the NRA is innocent of the alleged wrongdoing in this thoroughly muddled and unfortunate affair.
On the bright side of the issue, we did ultimately succeed in getting two very important pro-gun bills passed and sent to the governor for signing, and that's the most important aspect of the entire matter.
I thank you for that. I’m very much aware the left has been trying to destroy the credibility of the NRA. It’s too bad there were so many anti-gun NRA haters right here on FR.
See post 37. It seems your anti-gun hatred for the NRA has to find another thread.
Haha...damn 2.5 did you get lucky on this one... and as usual you knowingly misrepresent my post(s).
At least epow has some honor and will step up when wrong, but I fully expect you to continue in your old ways... and as long as you bad mouth other groups in the fight, I will be here showing others YOUR history.
As soon as you hang up your petty bias and stop attacking others, my canned 2.5 response post goes in the circular file, so it is entirely up to you.
Warmest Regards,
AOV
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